Just been told to remove my pronouns from my Teams profile

Because if you take a look at Twitter or terfisaslur.com, it's very clear that the kind of people who cry about pronouns call any woman who cares about single-sex spaces a bigot at best and send them rape threats at worst (not all sure, but a huge huge number).

Pronouns were a gateway to getting men into women's spaces, that's why. It's all related.

If they're worried by a bad joke about pronouns, then I'm sorry for them, but a transman generally has nothing to fear from another woman, and also it's no worse than the way many women feel when they see pronouns and wonder if they'll be hounded for their gender critical beliefs, is it? And, let's face it, that's much more likely.

This. I’m assuming that adding pronouns wasn’t compulsory.

Actually snow/flake would be great

I can guarantee they would not think you were male after seeing and speaking to you. Men's and women's bodies are very different; short hair and a masculine name do not make a man. My butch friends have never had this problem. They occasionally get called sir until they turn around and all becomes clear.

Why do you keep mentioning spaces when that's nothing to do with this thread? How do you know 'they' don't care about women being fearful of being forced to share spaces with men? Where does it say the women at this workplace are being forced to do this? How do you know it's transwomen who even made the complaints? What if it was transmen, so biological women, who read OPs answer as she had intended them to read it and it's now made them feel worried how they're going to be treated in person by OP?

The thread is about being told to remove a childish answer which was given solely to upset others (and worked) on a professional page, that's it.

This thread reminds me of this saying:

Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them.

I'm not personally offended if people assume from my name I'm male. But I can see that other people might be embarrassed having made that assumption, so people knowing in advance I'm female avoids that.

I'm occasionally tempted to get my hair cut short, but having a male-sounding name too I don't want to be regularly misgendered. I don't mind people thinking I'm male up until the point they meet me, but I think I'd find it upsetting if they STILL thought I was male after they met me.

So from that perspective, normalising sharing pronouns is helpful to me and lessens the extent to which I feel bound to make my sex/gender clear in the way I present.

I would support you if like me you did not declare your preferred pronouns if you have them.

I would support you if as much as possible you ask everyone to call you by name and not use pronouns at all.

Your 'take a wild guess' is unprofessional. Not sure your manager's response had the best language, I would not have said urgent, though two wrongs don't make something right.

It's so sexist and regressive. Most of the things I love are not stereotypically female, doesn't mean I'm a man or that I have a masculine brain or any of that rubbish. I just have hobbies and interests that have been traditionally associated with women, which should be completely fine and not even worth noting in 20-bloody-25.

She's ridiculing the idea of pronouns, not a specific person. It's fine to ridicule ideas, although probably best not to do so in your professional profile, I admit.

'doesn't identify with maleness' what exactly does this mean? Didn't play with toy cars as a kid? Doesn't like the colour blue?

I would recommend reading the OPs posts. She says herself she is ridiculing others. So I'd go with her self description of her behaviour on this one.

But a man deciding that he 'feels like a woman', demanding access to women's changing rooms as a result, no matter how actual women feel about that, isn't ridiculing, mocking and antagonising women?

I totally agree that there are very distinctive groups that have been lumped together under a 'trans' umbrella, particularly among males who identify as trans. These groups do not have the same motivations or profiles.

However there is absolutely no way for women to distinguish these different groups on sight or any way of distinguishing them legally

What????

If they're fearful of a woman making a joke about pronouns being bullshit, which let's face it is just words, and mild ones at that, then why can't they take seriously the fear that many women have told them they feel when they are forced to accept makes in their single-sex spaces where they are uniquely vulnerable?

Here is another way to look at the prisoner stats and it follows what Prof Alice Sullivan wrote in her letter that I posted above.

Regarding the % of male prisoners in UK with transgender identities. The figures that are in Hansard for the year ending 31 March 2024 had the figure that 151 of the 243 male prisoners in the UK prisons had at least one sex offence on their record.

The ratio changed from 43.3% (88/203) having at least one sex offence to their name at 31 March 2023 to 151/243 to 62.1% as at 31 March 2024.

The increase of the overall number of male prisoners with transgender identities in the UK prisons between 2023 and 2024 was only 42 yet the increase in the sex offenders was 63.

In 2019, there were 3.3% of female people in UK prisons were sex offenders. I haven’t looked up the stats since. But I wouldn’t expect this will be different. Last time I looked at the raw stats for female sex offences, they had remained stable numbers for a decade or more despite population growth.

For male people with transgender identities to have the same rate of committing sex offences, there would be 8 (3.3% of 243) prisoners with trans identities in the UK prison population with sex offences.

8

Not 151.

And if someone tries to suggest that the majority of these male prisoners have declared that they are women to gain access to the female prisons, I doubt this is true.

Considering the sex crime numbers for that prison population jumped from 88 to 151 male prisoners with a sex offence that declared they were women in a year (31 March 2024 to 31 March 2024) AFTER the publishing of the guidance in early February 2023, I seriously doubt these new prisoners are making declarations for the benefit of getting into the female prison.

It wasn't a joke. She did it to ridicule, mock and be antagonistic - words she has stated herself.

There is no room for that behaviour, or 'jokes', on professional profiles. That's what your Facebook page is for.

They're not relevant unless you're talking about someone with others when they are not there, in which case they have no business telling you what language you are and are not able to use, and since they aren't there, they can't be offended.

You can't make people choose the language you want them to, especially when it is incorrect and goes against their own beliefs about the world. Not everyone is on the gender train.

I won't call a man a woman ever because I've seen what a slippery slope that has turned out to be.

‘My pronouns are private’

Because it's everyone for themselves, not because of pronouns.

If Russia invades we are fucked.

It's performative "weak little woman" fear, or maybe just plain old cry-bullying.