Just been told to remove my pronouns from my Teams profile

It’s easy not to have a ‘gender identity’ because most people know they have a sex and a personality. You are using a framework which isn’t wanted by many women.

Well that's a load of bollocks.

Female pronouns relate to sex.

I refer to my golden retriever bitch as she/ her, she definitely does not have a gender!

I’m not sure you can not have a gender identity? Cis and trans are opposites and you’ll have to be one or the other, surely?

”Are you Catholic or Protestant?”
”Neither. I’m an atheist.”
”But are you a Catholic atheist or a Protestant atheist?”

Our work email signatures have the pronunciation of our name and our pronouns. Just because it makes everyone's life a little bit easier and it's nice to know when you're talking about one of you're colleagues you're not getting their name or sex wrong.

We could just refer to people as "employee 2359" or something and avoid all this fuss about caring about people's names and sex I guess.

Okay great! So that would follow that you prefer they/them pronouns? Or other neo pronouns? 😊 Not telling you what you should or shouldn’t do, as I said, it’s your choice.

Well said!

Millions of people do not have a gender identity. In fact, I suggest the vast majority of people don't.

I have a sex, and I have a personality. I don't have a gender identity because gender is an externally imposed set of societal expectations and I'm not accepting that nonsense as part of myself.

I don't have a soul either. Because I don't believe were are spiritual entities in a corporeal meat suit. I am my body, my body is me.

Well, I don't have one.

By the logic of the ideology, yes, most GC people would fall under 'agender' (person without a gender identity, right?) and therefore be trans. That does sort of get ignored, usually, because it would shift the meaning of trans if suddenly it covered a lot of middle-aged feminists who don't have gender identities and don't think the concept should be given so much importance.

You can quite easily not have a gender identity and I think is is very common in women who reject gender full stop - who have had gender used to harm them by some form of disrespect for their capabilities because they are female bodied.

don’t make assumptions, don’t tie me in a bucket with other women for any other reason than my sex but don’t disregard my sex either because that leads to male default , it leads to women’s health being ignored , opportunities for women limited, rape tends to be of women

see accepting a transgender identity / which I accept is probably the bucket under which these women should fall by some logic / means rejecting their femaleness in some way - diminsihing the impact their femaleness has and continues to have on their lives

and let’s face it for anyone to treat me as anything but female would require me to undergo major surgery and take harmful hormones and why should I do that ? I am not broken. The gender norm is what’s wrong

No, it is not difficult. It is only important to know the sex of someone when the sex of a person is important to know.

Change it to none of your feckin business. Can’t be arsed with the pronouns rubbish - how have we managed for years without them?

Titles are so rarely used in most work environments, it's a formality that would seem very antiquated, And as I've previously mentioned Dr is not going to aid anyone's understanding.

People seem to be going to ridiculous lengths to avoid accepting that displaying pronouns can just be straightforwardly useful and not some kind of flag-waving ideological act.

Normal discourse conventions would suggest it is entirely useful to know whether your colleagues should be referred to as he / she. Or should we be using they as a blanket term? I thought we were pointing and laughing at that too.

Its not difficult to argue at all. All that's required is an understanding that sometimes it matters a great deal whether a person is female or male, such as when you're playing against them in sport, or sharing a prison cell or a rape crisis centre with them. And sometimes it doesn't matter at all. Like when you're emailing to ask a question about last quarters sales figures.

It would be very unusual to include any kind of prefix on your email signature here in the year 2025. Have you spent much time in the modern workplace?

I’m not sure you can not have a gender identity? Cis and trans are opposites and you’ll have to be one or the other, surely? Even an agender intersex person would have had male or female recorded on the birth certificate, so if they now identify as agender, that would fall under trans.

Either way, your gender identity is your decision and most people will be respectful and describe you as your prefer.

How is "Ms" from 1952? If they said Miss or Mrs you might have a point. But Ms is a common modern formal term.

Trans means that you have a gender identity that does not align with your biological sex. 'Cis' means that you have a gender identity that does align with your biological sex. So what does that mean? 'Gender identity' itself is about feelings, characteristics, and personal expression.

I don't have a gender identity. When you call me 'cis' you're assuming that I have a feminine gender identity to match my female body, when in fact I have experienced femininity as oppression since I was a very small girl. I don't identify as loving high heels and shopping, as being emotional or submissive, or with most of the other characteristics that have been culturally marked as feminine. The same characteristics that many transwomen say are what makes them women.*

As a woman who rejects sex role stereotypes (which is what we used to call this 'gender' business) and who is a feminist, yes, calling me 'cis' offends me.

*It's invariably some combination of liking feminine clothes, hair, and makeup, liking a sexually submissive role (see 'sissies' - or don't, unless you have a strong stomach), or else some kind of inchoate feeling they claim is womanhood, to which I say firstly that we're individuals, not a hive mind sharing the same womanly feelings, and secondly, no man knows how it feels to be any woman, any more than I know how it feels to be a man, a horse, or a tree. He might know how it feels to be uncomfortable with male stereotypes or with his male body. That's not the same as being female.

That would be weird and like you’d fallen into 1952

You can always put ‘Ms xxxx surname’ in your signature.

It’s difficult to argue that sex is important and should not be vague at the same time resisting people specifying their sex when it may not be clear. Eg you have Alex, Sam, Faith or Tejas who you may communicate with daily but haven’t actually seen or spoken in person to, giving you the heads up to which sex they are 🤷🏼‍♀️

”I’ve spoken to Jivan and he / she said it would be done by the end of the week”. It’s handy to know right?

As someone who was often mistaken for a male

trust me I would rather people do that than than what happens when they know you are female and so ignore you and assume you are the groups secretary - even when told you are the technical lead

Yes I find it helpful to know that "Arya" (for example) is a man because if I was forced to guess I'd 100% assume it was a female name. And it probably doesn't make a difference to him directly as I'm not calling him "she", but it's culturally sensitive to be able to say "I've asked Arya for the report, he'll have it over by Thursday" rather than getting it wrong or just having to dance around the fact I don't know.

It rules because it’s a male person putting their desire over that of women

as per usual

bevuade you can’t change sex and sex is your body not your brain. And the sooner your child understands that the healthier they will be

if your transgender child had any female traits then putting their nose in where it wasn’t wanted clearly isn’t one of them

I would purposely put she/him on there to confuse them further.