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Just been told to remove my pronouns from my Teams profile

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Horrace · 18/12/2025 10:11

I'm weak 🤣
My manager just phoned me to say there has been some serious complaints made about me that he must urgently address.
I panicked.
In the Pronouns section of my Teams profile, I have

'Take a Wild Guess'

Its been there for a few years. Its finally been noticed and I've been told to take it down because it's made someone or more than one possibly, FEARFUL of me.

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ThePoshUns · 18/12/2025 22:27

OP you are my hero.

k1233 · 18/12/2025 22:25

I work with someone who has english as a second language. Pronouns be damned. Everyone is he/she/her/his. They never get it right and when you've just figured out who they are referring to they realise they have been using the wrong pronoun and swap to the correct one. Very confusing when you've been in a meeting with multiple people.

TheKeatingFive · 18/12/2025 22:25

Cybiil · 18/12/2025 22:23

I think you are very simplistic. Do you know or work with any trans people who you really like and respect?

Liking and respecting people does not involve going along with a lie that they have changed sex.

Cybiil · 18/12/2025 22:23

Helleofabore · 18/12/2025 22:13

And yet, my questions are still relevant to your point about “intentionally antagonise, ridicule and mock colleagues”.

Here they are again:

What is respectful about demands of changing language to suit a person’s philosophical belief about themselves that doesn’t reflect material reality?

What is respectful about obscured language that is inaccurate being demanded and supported by policy?

I think you are very simplistic. Do you know or work with any trans people who you really like and respect?

Helleofabore · 18/12/2025 22:13

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 22:05

Actually, no. I was referring to the fact that the OP laughed at her manager for raising her statement "Take a Wild Guess" (or words to that effect) and the fact that she said in her updates that it was meant to antagonise, ridicule and mock those that have indicated pronouns in Teams. I think people on this thread need to find better victims, because I can't fathom in what world it'd be ok to intentionally antagonise, ridicule and mock colleagues.

And yet, my questions are still relevant to your point about “intentionally antagonise, ridicule and mock colleagues”.

Here they are again:

What is respectful about demands of changing language to suit a person’s philosophical belief about themselves that doesn’t reflect material reality?

What is respectful about obscured language that is inaccurate being demanded and supported by policy?

StopTheHyperbole · 18/12/2025 22:07

Horrace · 18/12/2025 21:26

Some of you take it all so seriously. Its words.
'Take a Wild Guess'
that's all it was. been there years. You had to go looking for it to see it. Now all of a sudden someone is fearful of me. Someone who doesn't know me, doesn't actually work with me, never has to speak to me, works in a different division, opposite end of the country.
I find it all blown out of proportion.
That's why I laughed.
Its so pathetic

Gender ideology is in its essence totally, totally mental @Horrace

General population is starting to wake up to this fact (finally). So I wouldn't worry anymore about it.

JellySaurus · 18/12/2025 22:06

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 21:33

You've made this up to suit your narrative. The OP has confirmed that there is no requirement to indicate pronouns anywhere, whether in Teams or emails or elsewhere.

Telling me which pronouns to use when referring to you is coercion. I cannot tell from an email whether ‘Isla Bryson’ is male or female. If Isla puts she/her under the signature, that is an indication that I am expected to refer to Isla as a woman, even in Isla’s absence, regardless of Isla’s actual sex, regardless of which sex I recognise Isla to be. The not-so-veiled threats of what might happen to my career if I don’t submit to the coercion reinforce it.

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 22:05

Helleofabore · 18/12/2025 21:40

For clarity, you spoke about respect. I asked you some questions about what I believed you were speaking about when you referred to respect.

’How about showing the professionalism and respect you expect from others at all times at work?’

Were you not referring to using preferred language in your post ?

Actually, no. I was referring to the fact that the OP laughed at her manager for raising her statement "Take a Wild Guess" (or words to that effect) and the fact that she said in her updates that it was meant to antagonise, ridicule and mock those that have indicated pronouns in Teams. I think people on this thread need to find better victims, because I can't fathom in what world it'd be ok to intentionally antagonise, ridicule and mock colleagues.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 18/12/2025 22:03

Helleofabore · 18/12/2025 21:57

I remembered reading something about this too.

But I also remember the Vet study where a group of Vets were tested and received the same CVs with very similar qualifications through equally valued universities and work backgrounds with it clear which were male and which were female. Overwhelmingly, the vets chose the male CVs and when asked what they believed they would pay their chosen CVs, consistently said they would have offered the male candidates higher salaries.

So yeah, completely harmless.

Well, at least if you're only concerned with men it is.

Helleofabore · 18/12/2025 21:57

OchonAgusOchonOh · 18/12/2025 21:50

It's actually not harmless. There is a body of research that shows a detrimental impact on how seriously women are taken and the consequent negative impact on their career progression when attention is drawn to their sex. So for women, putting pronouns in your signature is an act if self sabotage.

I remembered reading something about this too.

But I also remember the Vet study where a group of Vets were tested and received the same CVs with very similar qualifications through equally valued universities and work backgrounds with it clear which were male and which were female. Overwhelmingly, the vets chose the male CVs and when asked what they believed they would pay their chosen CVs, consistently said they would have offered the male candidates higher salaries.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 18/12/2025 21:50

Alltheunreadbooks · 18/12/2025 21:42

I think that's incredibly unprofessional, and you'd probably be in a bit of bother at my workplace for such a pathetic gesture.

Putting pronouns in your signature is completely harmless and is good business practice. It's bizarre and just a bit ignorant to do what you did, to be honest.

It's actually not harmless. There is a body of research that shows a detrimental impact on how seriously women are taken and the consequent negative impact on their career progression when attention is drawn to their sex. So for women, putting pronouns in your signature is an act if self sabotage.

TheKeatingFive · 18/12/2025 21:49

Alltheunreadbooks · 18/12/2025 21:42

I think that's incredibly unprofessional, and you'd probably be in a bit of bother at my workplace for such a pathetic gesture.

Putting pronouns in your signature is completely harmless and is good business practice. It's bizarre and just a bit ignorant to do what you did, to be honest.

Why do you think it's good business practice?

Helleofabore · 18/12/2025 21:49

Alltheunreadbooks · 18/12/2025 21:42

I think that's incredibly unprofessional, and you'd probably be in a bit of bother at my workplace for such a pathetic gesture.

Putting pronouns in your signature is completely harmless and is good business practice. It's bizarre and just a bit ignorant to do what you did, to be honest.

It is not harmless for male people to use female language to describe themselves though.

ForSoLong · 18/12/2025 21:49

Alltheunreadbooks · 18/12/2025 21:42

I think that's incredibly unprofessional, and you'd probably be in a bit of bother at my workplace for such a pathetic gesture.

Putting pronouns in your signature is completely harmless and is good business practice. It's bizarre and just a bit ignorant to do what you did, to be honest.

Completely harmless? 🤔

Helleofabore · 18/12/2025 21:48

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 21:42

Again, complete conjecture to suit your narrative. Soon I'm going to read that the OP was branded on the forehead to serve as a warning...

So, the OP hasn’t confirmed there are no negative ramifications to not using listed pronouns? And so you are trying to convince people that there would be none?

Good oh.

You still have not bothered to answer the questions I asked though. Maybe you can give it a whirl at answering since I was replying to your post about ‘respect’.

Here they are again:

What is respectful about demands of changing language to suit a person’s philosophical belief about themselves that doesn’t reflect material reality?

What is respectful about obscured language that is inaccurate being demanded and supported by policy?

Alltheunreadbooks · 18/12/2025 21:42

I think that's incredibly unprofessional, and you'd probably be in a bit of bother at my workplace for such a pathetic gesture.

Putting pronouns in your signature is completely harmless and is good business practice. It's bizarre and just a bit ignorant to do what you did, to be honest.

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 21:42

Helleofabore · 18/12/2025 21:36

Has the OP confirmed that there is no negative ramifications for not using someone’s listed pronouns ?

I suspect there would be negative impact to her if she didn’t use those pronouns, so I don’t think people are ‘making things up’.

Again, complete conjecture to suit your narrative. Soon I'm going to read that the OP was branded on the forehead to serve as a warning...

Helleofabore · 18/12/2025 21:40

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 21:35

For clarity, the OP has confirmed that there is no requirement to indicate pronouns anywhere, whether in Teams or emails or elsewhere.

For clarity, you spoke about respect. I asked you some questions about what I believed you were speaking about when you referred to respect.

’How about showing the professionalism and respect you expect from others at all times at work?’

Were you not referring to using preferred language in your post ?

SabrinaThwaite · 18/12/2025 21:39

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 21:33

You've made this up to suit your narrative. The OP has confirmed that there is no requirement to indicate pronouns anywhere, whether in Teams or emails or elsewhere.

Has OP confirmed that there was no requirement for pronouns?

I must have missed that - can you point out that post please?

Helleofabore · 18/12/2025 21:36

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 21:33

You've made this up to suit your narrative. The OP has confirmed that there is no requirement to indicate pronouns anywhere, whether in Teams or emails or elsewhere.

Has the OP confirmed that there is no negative ramifications for not using someone’s listed pronouns ?

I suspect there would be negative impact to her if she didn’t use those pronouns, so I don’t think people are ‘making things up’.

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 21:35

Helleofabore · 18/12/2025 21:31

What is respectful about demands of changing language to suit a person’s philosophical belief about themselves that doesn’t reflect material reality?

What is respectful about obscured language that is inaccurate being demanded and supported by policy?

For clarity, the OP has confirmed that there is no requirement to indicate pronouns anywhere, whether in Teams or emails or elsewhere.

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 21:33

JellySaurus · 18/12/2025 21:30

How about they show that same respect and don’t expect the right to impose coercive control over my language?

You've made this up to suit your narrative. The OP has confirmed that there is no requirement to indicate pronouns anywhere, whether in Teams or emails or elsewhere.

SabrinaThwaite · 18/12/2025 21:32

Cybiil · 18/12/2025 20:59

Not pandering is just not putting your pronouns isn’t it? Job done.

It depends if you think toeing the line for something you don’t believe in is better than being honest.

One is more politically correct and career advantageous than the other.

Helleofabore · 18/12/2025 21:31

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 21:26

How about showing the professionalism and respect you expect from others at all times at work?

What is respectful about demands of changing language to suit a person’s philosophical belief about themselves that doesn’t reflect material reality?

What is respectful about obscured language that is inaccurate being demanded and supported by policy?

JellySaurus · 18/12/2025 21:30

MidnightColours · 18/12/2025 21:26

How about showing the professionalism and respect you expect from others at all times at work?

How about they show that same respect and don’t expect the right to impose coercive control over my language?

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