“Birthing parent” language in work policy – inclusive or erasing women?

Your posts day otherwise. But I'm turning in for the night, so happy for you to tilt at windmills over this with others.

Nope. And I'm not defensive at all

Wrong its the thin end of the wedge, it goes with cervix havers, chest feeders, menstrators and people who bleed amongst a few such disgusting terms. It opens the door to men feeding chemically induced man secretions to babies and surrogacy etc it strips women of everything that makes us women by divorcing them and us from our words and language and most importantly our humanity

I'm not turning into anything. I'm agreeing with OP that removing every single reference to mother, woman or female is ridiculous in a maternity leave policy.

Words have meanings. A minority of lesbian couples may prefer to both be called parents, that's fine, it doesn't change the fact that all people taking maternity leave are by definition women and mothers.

Individual preferences do not change facts and we shouldn't be writing policies for tiny tiny minorities. And I've never ever come across any lesbian mothers that had a problem being called mothers.

She shouldn’t have to and people are offended by that

They have your not listening becuase your In a defensive mode

Seems fine. When my friends had a baby they were both mums but only one of them was pregnant so only one of them got maternity leave. The other got “paternity” but she wasn’t the dad.

Can’t turn a woman into a man.

In the UK, the second mother can only be registered as 'parent' on the birth certificate. The only person who can be named mother is the birthing parent - even if the egg is from her partner. Many couples prefer to both be called parent - until there are options available on the birth certificate. For example in other countries you can both choose to be mother, or parent. Or a combination of the above. There is a lot of nuance to this - but you seem to want to turn this into a trans-bashing thread. No matter what info others provide.

Removing breasts and taking hormones turns a woman into a man? Are you sure?
You think that's a man with a uterus that has a human coming out of it?

Top surgery and hormone treatments

Nobody has explained why birth parent is any more useful than birth mother, actually. If you're going to argue it's best to read the actual posts first

People are kidding themselves if they think this language has anything to do with lesbian couples.

It doesn’t as those women have told you on her but your not listening

which is the problem
overall - even when the people it affects are telling you

everyone doing the " this is inclusive language" stuff there's 100s of thousands of women not having a clue what policies, adverts and documents mean. Most people don't think of themselves as a "birthing parent" and neither fo they need to. Inclusive could be women and birthing parent or women and transman or whatever.

Erasing the word woman isn't inclusive .. its misogynistic.

Handmaid's tale is not so futuristic after all

everyone doing the " this is inclusive language" stuff there's 100s of thousands of women not having a clue what policies, adverts and documents mean. Most people don't think of themselves as a "birthing parent" and neither fo they need to. Inclusive could be women and birthing parent or women and transman or whatever.

Erasing the word woman isn't inclusive .. its misogynistic.

Handmaid's tale is not so futuristic after all

But only one birth mother. So why not say that? Why remove sex markers?

Only one birth mother.

Yes still women as proven by the fact that they got pregnant and gave birth and because nobody has ever changed sex.
Also they are still legally MOTHERS even if they havea GRC and will be registered as such on the birth certificate a transman with a GRC went all the way to the supreme Court trying to be registered as her sons father instead of their mother but lost. You can lie on your own records but not on anyone else's and the word mother has specific legal meaning and places legal duties on her

There’s no surgery that turns a woman into a man.

Because there can be 2 mothers?

Don't be ridiculous. Dehumanising language is used to make a group of people seem less than human, like calling people animals.

The term "parent" is not dehumanising in any way, it does not remove someone's humanity. It actually encompasses ALL humans!

Yes but lost of transgender people when talking about surgery use the words top and bottom surgery

ah yes…but you don’t like inclusion do you

it’s privileged white males who are the problem not other women and trans people

Which bottom bits? My Feet are at the bottom. Ankles? Calves?

Obviously I know what you mean, but English is my first language, I don't have any learning difficulties and have older relatives that speak in polite euphemisms.
But not everyone does. Clear language matters.

No one who gives birth is a man. These women are delusional and need help. But they don’t get to steal our words to shore up their delusions.