Liverpool attacker sentenced

Yes. I highly doubt that he just randomly snapped one day and decided to do this. He would have displayed dangerous behaviour behind the wheel multiple times.

Angry violent men do not need much motivation to be tipped over into these things.
They kill women all the time.
They batter women all the time.
They kill other men all the time.
They don't need excuses and they don't need your understanding.
It is naive to believe these men don't exist.
He is one of many violent, angry, nasty men in this world that couldn't control his rage and that's the bottom line.

Does it matter? He's in prison for many years and after that? Well if he ever wanted to do something like this again, a driving ban is hardly likely to stop him.

I felt that a Daily Mail article, posted earlier this week but updated today, was overly sympathetic to the offender, focusing on him being a family man, linking the crime to his previous time in service and saying he had no previous crimes etc.

That's the bit I'm really struggling to understand. He's only been banned from driving for three years, although he will be required to resit an advanced driving test. This man should never be trusted behind the wheel of a car again in my opinion.

Really? I was surprised how long it was. Im not convinced he really intended to harm anyone. Somehow I can't shake the feeling he panicked or had some sort of extreme stress response. I know that theory has apparently been debunked and the evidence points to just rage but what caused the rage? When I first saw the videos back when it happened I thought he had driven by accident into the wrong road ajd then couldn't find a way out and panicked when people got mad. I dont know. I can imagine myself making a mistake like that and I'd like to think that no matter how much I panicked I wouldn't plough into people but who knows. I do find it strange that not much info has been released about his motivation.

Really? I was surprised how long it was. Im not convinced he really intended to harm anyone. Somehow I can't shake the feeling he panicked or had some sort of extreme stress response. I know that theory has apparently been debunked and the evidence points to just rage but what caused the rage? When I first saw the videos back when it happened I thought he had driven by accident into the wrong road ajd then couldn't find a way out and panicked when people got mad. I dont know. I can imagine myself making a mistake like that and I'd like to think that no matter how much I panicked I wouldn't plough into people but who knows. I do find it strange that not much info has been released about his motivation.

He’ll serve 2/3rds. There is no 50% for violent crime.

That's the bit I'm really struggling to understand. He's only been banned from driving for three years, although he will be required to resit an advanced driving test. This man should never be trusted behind the wheel of a car again in my opinion.

There was a podcast episode of The Trial talking to Prof David Wilson about his thoughts on why he did it which is interesting.
I can’t remember the name of the condition he mentioned but it was all about anger and the need for control.

Do not talk for his family. How very dare you. You don’t know them, you don’t know how they are suffering. Nasty.

And in what, thirty years, she never thought to speak out?

For those who may not have seen the full details of this case, it's worth clearing some things up.
He never saw active service and was discharged from the Marines after a number of infractions ranging from minor (dishonesty) to more serious (assault). He then later served a year in prison for biting part of a sailor's ear off in a drunken brawl.
He did not have PTSD as he never served in a war zone, he also didn't use this as part of his defence.
When first bundled into the police van after he was arrested, his first words were "I've ruined my life" - at this point there were still seriously injured people trapped under the wheels of his car.
In initial interviews with police he fabricated a story about being attacked by a fan holding a knife - police have said there's no evidence this ever happened, and believe it was entirely made up.
His own dash cam footage shows him jumping red lights long before he ever reaches the city centre, then shows him calling people "fucking pricks" including at the moment he hit a six month old baby in his pram, throwing him down the road.
I find it fascinating that people have tried so hard to excuse this man's behaviour, even now after it has emerged that he has a history of uncontrolled rage and violence.
I'm afraid this is a classic case of male violence and entitlement, and I would be interested to know what Mr Family Guy was really like behind closed doors.

Really? I was surprised how long it was. Im not convinced he really intended to harm anyone. Somehow I can't shake the feeling he panicked or had some sort of extreme stress response. I know that theory has apparently been debunked and the evidence points to just rage but what caused the rage? When I first saw the videos back when it happened I thought he had driven by accident into the wrong road ajd then couldn't find a way out and panicked when people got mad. I dont know. I can imagine myself making a mistake like that and I'd like to think that no matter how much I panicked I wouldn't plough into people but who knows. I do find it strange that not much info has been released about his motivation.

I care very little about his family, who will have looked past his clear anger issues for years. I care a lot more about the innocent men, women and children who were at the parade and who have been traumatised for life. Why aren’t you more angry about yet another act of male violence being excused and played down?

He did intend to harm people. He knew exactly what he was doing.

He is a man with a history of violent behaviour and uncontrolled anger.

He wasn't panicking. He was pissed off. And he couldn't control his rage, so he decided to hurt people.

I'm sure there is probably a back story of a chaotic childhood and childhood trauma - that is often the case with men like this. However, it doesn't excuse his behaviour, and no one should be trying to explain it away as a 'mistake' (you seriously can imagine yourself doing the same?!).

I’ll add to that, why is someone who in anger bit someone allowed to hold a vehicle licence? I do believe there should be parameters on retaining a licence if behaviour is such it could lead to aggression with a vehicle

Obviously it's longer because of the scale of people involved

It's hard to be certain about that. I'm not sure he woke up that morning intending to maim 134 people. It seems like a 'falling down' moment or a terrible series of dominoes. Toxic male rage and violence meets entitlement, frustration and prevention from doing what he wants, culminating in the red mist descending in the most appalling way.

In the world of driver crime it is a longer sentence, far to many drivers walk away after killing with a suspended sentence

driver on the pavement kills child, they don’t go to prison 🤷‍♀️

driver not wear his glasses kills person, they don’t go to prison 🤷‍♀️

21 years in prison in comparison to other driver crimes is a long sentence