Liverpool attacker sentenced

If you accidentally drove into a road that was closed and full of people, wouldn't you just stop, or ask people to help you reverse to get out of the way, not carry on going trying to ram people and then driving straight at them

My ex was charged with GBH with intent and false imprisonment, both can carry life sentences but he got 10 years in total. He only injured me though, Paul Doyle injured over 100 people so I do think he got off lightly with 21 years.

I feel as though a part of the jigsaw is missing. I think he deserves his sentence but what was really going on with him, nobody knows. I don’t think it’s just road rage, and nothing underneath that. It doesn’t make sense, does it.

Are you for real. Have you seen the footage. I've just watched it. He's screaming move move move at people. Nothing justifies him trapping an elderly woman under his car and launching a 6 month old babies pram into the air. They were banging on his car to get him to stop

You're a fucking disgrace. He injured 124 people in the space of two minutes

@BeardofHagrid if the road was closed and full of people what did you expect people to do when a car came towards them and there was nowhere for the people (including children to go). They wanted to stop the car

He was 54 when this happened so potentially the mortgage has been paid off. If not - I assume they'll have to sell and downsize

Isn't it. The wife should have known and should have done something. Eff right off. He's the issue. No one else

i wonder what happens to his wife and family. I feel sorry for them potentially losing house etc of mortgaged. They will be indirectly punished for life now.

The crowd was full of violent people who smashed his back windows and were kicking lumps out of his car. No wonder he snapped.

I know of a woman who drowned her child in the bath, she got four years. Huw Edwards got nothing for his horrific crimes! The judges just make up whatever they feel like.

That's the part that makes no sense

I think it’s really odd that he’s spent 30 years sorting his life out, then does that. I wonder why, fundamentally? I haven’t RTFT.

What also isn’t new is blaming a woman for a man’s anger. That’s been going on since the dawn of time.

The media does this with everyone. Look at the bondi beach killers with students who went to high school with the youngest killer saying how normal and nice he was. It’s meant to shock us that someone so ‘normal’ can do something so horrific, and the media do it every time. I don’t think it’s unique to his particular case.

Not this again. What is the point of blaming his wife- there were multiple statements from people who knew him backing his character. Come on. No one on here can say his wife and kids witnessed rage. That's just conjecture

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet but I'm sure his wife/partner can have been no stranger to his explosive rage.

I think yes he deserves the sentence. The emergency services say it was a miracle no
one was killed - in his rage he didn't care or values the lives of those he rammed his car into. And though he hasnt been convicted of anything in 30 years he clearly has a nasty temper - who knows what else he has done in that time.

Unless you sat in the courtroom for every minute of the case then you have no idea what the 'full details' are. If you think what you read in the media counts then you're a fool.

And even if you had sat there, you, or anyone else in that room, would still not have the full and comprehensive picture of what really happened and why.

His wife and kids have done nothing wrong. He's the issue here. Only him. If he had displayed rage behind the wheel multiple times - was his wife supposed to walk into a police station and say my husband suffers from rage behind the wheel - they would have laughed her out of the place

It is entirely possible that he had not displayed rage behind the wheel before this happened

If that were true I would have expected him to have previous convictions for dangerous driving. His prior convictions were mentioned at today's sentencing heating but not a single one involved vehicles of any description. So no evidence whatsoever to suggest that anyone could have predicted this.

For what it's worth I obviously think he is scum and deserves to be locked up but this idea that his wife is somehow culpable is absolutely ridiculous.

Yes, but I'm not sure why your opinion is any more reliable than anyone else's in this case.

Huh? What have I made up? My conjecture? Isn't that always made up? By definition? I'm not defending him. I don't think wanting to understand is the same as defending someone. I'm not really in the business of defending anyone. Im neither a lawyer nor a personal friend or relative. Neither am I in the business of condemning anyone. I just dont see the point of saying that some men are just shits and that's it and we just have to live with it. I mean obviously a lot of men are shits but why? And if they have an inherent tendency to violent and entitled behaviour (which i think they do) what can be done to mitigate that?

(Back on point: I didn't realise he was already showing rage and erratic behaviour before he got to the parade. So probably he didn't find himself stuck there by accident and panicking as a result.)

You don't know this. His wife isn't the issue here. He is. His children aren't the issue here either. We have no idea what kind of life his wife had with him - what was she supposed to do - walk into a police station and say I think my husband might harm people one day?

You're blaming his wife for something he did - and that's a really poor look
Because she didn't stop him? She's not responsible for his actions

On any level

I’m a bit behind on the court stuff. I was only half listening but it was the stuff about control that stuck with me.
There is obviously some disconnection between his brain and what he was doing as there is no way you are getting away with that.

I used to live in Liverpool and no way would I have driven down into town in the first place, insane decision, when you can meet further up towards the uni.

I’m not defending anyone, I’m just choosing not to decide I know everything about everything.

He did a horrific and unforgivable thing and received a commensurate sentence for it.

You’ve decided, without any information whatsoever, that his wife is to blame, his children are to blame, he’s displayed violent and angry behaviour in the last 20 years and that his character witnesses are all lying….

You are, in fact, the one displaying utterly weird behaviour.