Liverpool attacker sentenced

Actually I think the OP has the right to be upset about this. There were over 130 people injured. It's the fact that they are blaming his wife that I'm not on board with.

I'm Scottish and I still remember where I was the day the Dunblane shooting happened.

Any atrocity upsets me tbh

He got 21 years and 6 months for each of the GBH counts. It’s that we have concurrent sentences here as opposed to the stupid way they do it in America where they get 300 year sentences etc

It’s a huge sentence and rightly deserved too. Stop reading the Daily Mail OP.

I suspect he has used the Internet as an outlet for his anger and rage over the last 30 years, probably a few instances of road rage that had gone unreported,, he has likely been lucky up until this point.

He is a very very angry man.

Wonder if you're so incensed about the Bondi beach murderers. You know, the scum who actually killed people. Or maybe the Manchester thugs who broke a policecwoman's nose. Why am I sensing some bias here. Selective outrage.

I think CPS and his lawyers came to an agreement that if he pleaded guilty to ABH etc they would prosecute the lower charge because their priority was to get him put away quickly at at the lower costs of a quick trial?

He was pleading not guilty right up until the moment everyone was in court and trial proceedings were about to begin. If you had read the reporting at the time, you'd know that the last minute change of plea was a complete surprise to everyone. They were all expecting to proceed with the trial.

An early guilty plea is one of the factors which a judge can consider when passing sentence. It didn't apply here.

Yes, even with much lesser crimes, I think most of us abstain more for fear of getting caught/ the shame of it all, than becuase we really can't bear to do wrong.

It was a people carrier, a Ford Galaxy, one of the most boring cars known to man 🤣

I mean, it doesn't really make any difference, but why are people making things up?

There'll be loads of papers written about that and podcasts discussing it. It's such a big question about the fundamentals of humanity.

It does not take much to enrage a jerk in an SUV in a hurry.

Oh I agree, he did.

This is why sentences are done by legal experts with years of experience who listen to all the evidence

and not baying lynch mobs.

A genuine question, asked because I'm interested in the answer and not to antagonise anyone: what is the difference between "hiding your evil and rage" and controlling your anger so that you behave more acceptably in society and get your life on track?

I've wondered in the past whether I'm really a good person or just really good at pretending to be because I want people to think I am. If you successfully faked being a good person throughout your life, in public and in private, then what's the difference between that and actually being a good person, and does it even matter to anyone but you?

The judge discounted his past convictions in the sentencing, deeming them irrelevant as so old and he'd lived a blameless life since.

There are an awful lot of people commenting here (including OP) who seem very invested, but haven't taken the time to read what the judge actually said.

I find OP’s comments rather worrying regarding Doyle’s family. Seems like the sort of person who would seek out the family and harass them. Perhaps we have a duty to report you to the authorities, op?

I thought Doyle’s sentence was fair. Years ago I knew someone who was murdered in an unprovoked attack. The person he was with also suffered life changing injuries. The offender got 9 years. And served a concurrent sentence for the attempted murder. He didn’t serve his full sentence.

Well, if the rape victims are also the family members of the rapists, they won’t get any sympathy from this poster who clearly thinks they’re to blame

Ironically, some of the frothing rage & hatred in this thread seems to me to bear a considerable resemblance to the frothing rage and hatred that inspired this man’s crime. Same dark source; different outlet.

Rage and hatred are always evils, & indulging in them - and trying to stir up others to do so too - is deplorable.

Moving on, I thought the sentence was a decent one, but that it should have included a lifetime driving ban. But then, I think anyone who causes death or serious injury by careless or dangerous driving, or who is convicted of drunk driving, should face a lifetime driving ban. Unfortunately the legal system in this country does not reflect that philosophy.

Along with his past convictions too.

He admitted to 31 charges - that will clearly be the reason for the long sentence.

There were 124 people injured as a result of his actions

Agree with this except the last sentence. It’s not a sure thing that those affected can just “get help” and feel better.

My family member impacted by something similar was a child at the time and has been diagnosed with PTSD and an anxiety disorder. They have undergone various forms of therapy. They still have nightmares and deal with the fall out from their physical injuries. They missed a lot of school and became withdrawn from their peers, not wanting to socialise. It impacted pretty much every part of their life and that will continue to have a knock on effect.

It’s not just them either, it’s their mother who took a call from a stranger to tell her that her child had been hit by a car and they weren’t conscious (alongside many others) and the people who witnessed it and rushed to help.

The scale of Paul Doyle’s actions is far reaching and while professional help can improve things for most people, it doesn’t mean that they won’t be traumatised for life.

Good thing you aren’t a judge op. He did something terrible and he’s paying a high price. No one is excusing it.

You don’t know that’s he’s a violent
man at home, you don’t know that his violent mates gave character witness.
it’s not classism
Hes paying for his crime, now time to move on.

People directly effected can get help and don’t need to be traumatised for life

I'd question the assumption that he will be able to drive after he comes out of prison. I doubt whether anyone will be prepared to insure him.

What’s your connection with this case OP? I’m assuming you have family and friends directly affected. If so, I’m sorry this has happened to them.

But you are behaving quite irrationally on this thread and lashing out of people who don’t deserve it. maybe you need some help with your own anger.

"He’ll be 68 by the time he gets out. Just young enough to enjoy a nice long retirement. It’s disgusting."

He will spend the majority of the healthy adult life he has left, in prison. I can't see his marriage lasting and his kids will be adults when he gets out.
I think the sentence is reasonable.