Liverpool attacker sentenced

If you think anyone coming out of a 21 year sentence is going to have "a nice long retirement" then you're just plain wrong. Living on a state pension alone is going to be only the half of it. The alternative is the nonsense of American 100+ year sentences.

Oh come on, what a ridiculous thing to say!

Point me at any post where anybody has said anything even remotely like they think it was OK. You can't, because nobody has.

He did an utterly awful thing, apparently because he lost control of his temper, and many people were injured and traumatised and it is just very fortunate nobody was killed. I expect we agree on that. I also, though, think he has received an appropriately stiff sentence. We apparently disagree on that. But if your interpretation of that is that I think what he did was "perfectly OK" then you are being irrational and unreasonable

All 3 of my sons were at that parade
one works on castle street
the fear I felt, what could have happened
he got what he deserved, he chose not to stop and admit he was wrong

Awful crime, he deserves the sentence. It is a miracle there weren't any deaths. Tbh the police need to sort out their crowd control as it is just pure luck it wasn't worse. How on earth was he even able to access such crowded areas in a vehicle??

I know someone who has always refused to learn to drive because he has a short fuse. It’s a shame more people don’t have that kind of self-awareness.

He has to pass an extended test before he can apply for his licence.

Also he has not been sentenced for everyone he hurt. The judge explained that a selection of crimes were chosen as they were preparing for a jury trial and for a jury it is difficult to keep track of too many victims.

I thought it was a significant sentence to be honest. He’ll be old when he comes out, I imagine his wife will divorce him. He will come out having not worked for over a decade, shit pension, no home, no wife, for a lonely old age. He has to take an extended driving test before being able to drive and I doubt anyone will pass him.

It would be interesting to see a proper report on his history and likley reasons for behaving as he did.

Firstly I suggest that we do not hand out enough driving bans and allow licences to be returned far to easily. Certainly a case like this should attract a lifetime ban with very severe penalties for a breach.

Secondly what about what they do in the Netherlands for many serious offenders and instead of imprisoning them detain them in secure hospitals which means that their behaviour is addressed and if they dont or wont change then they stay inside?

100%

Sentence is much more appropriate than I thought it would be, given eg what short sentences drunk drivers who kill get. Though he should be banned from driving for life.

That's a very unpleasant and unfair comment from you, OP.

This is a discussion forum - you asked for opinions and people shared theirs. Many don't agree with you, I am one of them too.

I think you are extremely emotional about this. It's ok to be affected. It's ok to say the sentencing guidelines are too lenient. It's ok to say we should have more prisons to accomodate prisoners and harsher sentences in respect of many crimes. Overall, we should be nicer people as a society and maybe then things would be much better.

But that's not the reality. You coming here shouting about classism (which I don't agree with) and being angry at many sensible posters not agreeing with you is unnecessary and this level of anger from you isn't reasonable.

I was expecting him to get 5 years so the sentence was much better.

YANBU. Why didn't the rancid twisted bastard get life, with no parole?

Disgusting shitty sentence!

Remember that he didn't stop of his own accord, someone had to do that, if not he would have continued.
He is an entitled male that has anger issues which hopefully will be addressed and treated successfully, he's got 14yrs to sort himself out.

Someone upthread said GBH carries a life sentence.

Did him changing his plea to guilty mean it got reduced?

Has she stayed with him?

It is a longer sentence than I expected tbh but I am shocked he isn’t banned from driving for life. I feel for everyone impacted by this including his wife and children.

I hate sentencing in this country. It's a joke.

'Tough on crime' (no you're not), tough on the causes of crime (oh please).

Nothing changes. Doesn't matter which party is in power.

And for those questioning why he got such a long sentence you are forgetting that he also had previous criminal and military convictions for violence, assault and GBH and served prison time for GBH, so that will have been taken into account when sentencing as he is not a first-time offender.

He was in a blind rage. He had previous criminal convictions for violence, was discharged from the military for assault, and he also went to prison for GBH for biting a man's ear off in a fight. His military colleagues said he had short fuse and was prone to flying off the handle and beating people up on nights out for nothing. Hardly the mild mannered family man the press made him out to be. He sounds like a fucking animal and I'm glad he's got a long sentence.

As someone from Liverpool too (me), this man was an Evertonian and the hatred they can have for Liverpool supporters can be insane sometimes. I say this as someone who has EFC fans in their family. I'm not saying that was the sole reason he did it but the fact that he ended up getting stuck in the LFC parade might have been a factor that set him off in a rage considering he was already prone to violent outbursts.

Can you imagine living under the same roof as him when he's in a mood.
I bet his family are breathing a sigh of relief.

You're getting silly now.

You get the two sides story when a man kills his family, and the neighbours all say he seemed a nice family man.

I thought it was a high sentence (compared to other crimes).

Even life imprisonment doesn't usually mean life in prison