Liverpool attacker sentenced

Indeed. They genuinely think they've got more right to be on the road than anyone else. The issue being there are rather a lot of SUV drivers now so who gets priority ;) I don't mean to be flippant in such an awful case but loads of people drive in a crazy way. But even they won't deliberately drive into a crowd of people.

Yes, even with much lesser crimes, I think most of us abstain more for fear of getting caught/ the shame of it all, than becuase we really can't bear to do wrong.

It does not take much to enrage a jerk in an SUV in a hurry.

If you accidentally drove into a road that was closed and full of people, wouldn't you just stop, or ask people to help you reverse to get out of the way, not carry on going trying to ram people and then driving straight at them

He was 54 when this happened so potentially the mortgage has been paid off. If not - I assume they'll have to sell and downsize

I thought the sentence was pretty strong since people kill people with their cars and get incredibly light sentences if a sentence at all.

I can't find the post about him coming out in time to retire. His retirement will not be comfortable, It's not that simple. He won't be getting NI credit in prison so his state pension will be limited. Who knows if he has a private pension but he won't be paying in to that either.

I doubt he can return to Liverpool, he will not be welcome.

He will probably end up in a studio or one bedroomed council flat in a tower block somewhere.

Outrage does tend to intensify when you are personally involved
my 3 boys were there that day, I am from Liverpool, I am a lifelong LFC supporter
don’t you dare belittle my outrage

Wonder if you're so incensed about the Bondi beach murderers. You know, the scum who actually killed people. Or maybe the Manchester thugs who broke a policecwoman's nose. Why am I sensing some bias here. Selective outrage.

Even if his wife had noticed his rage issues, what was she meant to do? Go to the police (who barely bother to turn up to reports of actual crimes these days), and insist that they should intervene because her husband hadn't done anything but might at some point?!

Or get him mental health support to learn to manage his rage issues? Obviously the UK is a country with a crumbling health system and almost zero adequate mental health support available for the majority of the population. Perhaps if he had been able to access MH support he could have been able to learn to deal with rage episodes. So many crimes recently committed by people who are in absolutely desperate need to the MH support and intervention that is basically impossible to access in the UK.

There is NO justification whatsoever for you to blame his wife or family. Women are never responsible for the violence of men. HTH.

It sounds like he was in an uncontrollable rage, and he had form for having a short temper and violent outbursts. Perhaps he’d been able to keep it under control fo a long time but if that’s the way you’re wired you probably can’t keep it under control forever. I think the sentence is about right.

As an aside I once got stuck in my car on a road outside a football stadium just as the fans started coming out, the road was suddenly filled with people banging on the car and shouting, it was terrifying, I shut the engine off and waited for them to all pass. It sounds like he was already in a rage an couldn’t control himself.

The crowd was full of violent people who smashed his back windows and were kicking lumps out of his car. No wonder he snapped.

I know of a woman who drowned her child in the bath, she got four years. Huw Edwards got nothing for his horrific crimes! The judges just make up whatever they feel like.

My point was that you suggested that it was a long sentence. It was clearly a long sentence for a reason - htfh

I find OP’s comments rather worrying regarding Doyle’s family. Seems like the sort of person who would seek out the family and harass them. Perhaps we have a duty to report you to the authorities, op?

I thought Doyle’s sentence was fair. Years ago I knew someone who was murdered in an unprovoked attack. The person he was with also suffered life changing injuries. The offender got 9 years. And served a concurrent sentence for the attempted murder. He didn’t serve his full sentence.

Wonder if he'd have liked it if someone did the same to him knocked him down.

Vile tempered Cuss.
How on earth can a person on this planet do that to other people who have done nothing to.him at all. Totally innocent enjoying their day.
Makes you wonder what he would do if someone really annoyed him.

I think it was attempted murder too - but the bar for proving that in the UK courts is very high and a trial would have been long drawn out with the risk of him not being found guilty. I think CPS and his lawyers came to an agreement that if he pleaded guilty to ABH etc they would prosecute the lower charge because their priority was to get him put away quickly at at the lower costs of a quick trial?

I am hoping that he may have to serve his full sentence, possibly because he’ll crack at some point in prison and have a rage outburst. I think they only reduce the time served for exemplary behaviour?

Wonder if you're so incensed about the Bondi beach murderers. You know, the scum who actually killed people. Or maybe the Manchester thugs who broke a policecwoman's nose. Why am I sensing some bias here. Selective outrage.

I suspect there are many things that have gone under the radar in the last few decades.

I also doubt was he really all sweetness and gentle at home. None of us know what went on in that house. But I suspect his wife might have breathed a sigh of relief at the sentence.

I suspect he has used the Internet as an outlet for his anger and rage over the last 30 years, probably a few instances of road rage that had gone unreported,, he has likely been lucky up until this point.

He is a very very angry man.