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Anyone else’s DH ruining Christmas?

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Nastyoldbastardatchristmas · 16/12/2025 17:40

We’re the typical couple of 2 small children. Both work, no family help, kids 6 and 2, never spend any time alone together. Life is generally very full on, and I won’t pretend I’m a saint who never gets grumpy/upset/tired but he is MISERABLE.

He doesn’t shout but he relentlessly rants and moans and swears under his breath. The first thing I hear in the morning is him muttering ‘for fucks sake’ as one of the kids shouts out for us (even if at a reasonable time like 6.30). All day he grumps, complains, strops, nags the kids. Nothing is ever to his liking, he treats every day setbacks (like spilling something, or one of the kids knocking something over) like the house is on fire.

It’s utterly draining but worse right now because it’s noticeably ruining what are supposed to be happy Christmas events. His road rage is getting worse, he’s so negative and just like a black cloud which saps the joy from everything. I’m treated with nothing but contempt, like my presence is actually unreasonable. He plonks himself in front of the TV every night and if I go in the lounge he pauses whatever he’s watching and says ‘Yes?’ In a really shitty voice.

Yes I’m leaving but this cannot be for another 18 months, for complicated reasons. So please don’t bombard me with ‘YOU NEED TO LEAVE NOW’ comments as I’m pretty sure nobody here would change their DC’s schools, move away from their friends and plunge their kids into virtual poverty just to speed things up by 1 year. In 18 months I will be in a much better financial position and some other ducks will be in a row.

Just looking to vent really to women in the same position.

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Nastyoldbastardatchristmas · 17/12/2025 11:26

whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 17/12/2025 11:13

Sounds like you have a lot of understanding and sympathy for him. Have you considered/tried counseling?

I don’t think it would help as ultimately counselling doesn’t provide you with more sleep, more time to exercise, time for a social life which is frankly what we both desperately need. I hate to be that poster who bats back every suggestion, and I’m not saying there would be zero benefit, but his issues are practical ones.

Unfortunately though there’s no magic wand with small children and no help. You just have to get through it.

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whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 17/12/2025 11:13

Nastyoldbastardatchristmas · 17/12/2025 10:58

Yes he was. I think he’s found family life harder than he expected but to give him his credit I can’t complain about doing more than my fair share because I don’t. He commented the other day that the phase of very intense hard work has gone on much longer than he expected (and I feel the same). It’s just small things like the 6 year old has only just started really occupying or playing by herself, until a few weeks ago she would literally follow you from room to room, wait outside the toilet etc - I think he finds it very claustrophobic (as do I tbh), plus I think he really thought they would sleep through very reliably from 18 months. I wouldn’t have believed a child could be waking for 8 solid months with a night time cough before we had kids, but here we are.

Sounds like you have a lot of understanding and sympathy for him. Have you considered/tried counseling?

LVhandbagsatdawn · 17/12/2025 11:08

Nastyoldbastardatchristmas · 17/12/2025 11:04

He is in a lot of pain as I’ve noticed his migraines have hugely ramped up since the moods began, he has a bad one probably weekly. He has some strong painkillers which help but leave him quite groggy and still with a dull ache he says.

Of course the GP appt for the painkillers was arranged by me.

Him being depressed or in need of help isn’t the issue, it’s his refusal to help himself.

We are seeing family this weekend but he’s staying in the accommodation so I can go out in the evening. I feel like we desperately need a monthly date night together but it’s just a pipe dream.

Covid started this all off to a degree, it just ended so many things which looking back he relied on for his MH

Edited

I'm also a migraine sufferer so I sympathise.

Re refusal to help himself, this is why I wonder whether an intervention with family might be an option? I don't know how close he is with his family of course. Or are there any old friends at all?

He absolutely needs to start seeking help and properly engaging with it.

Nastyoldbastardatchristmas · 17/12/2025 11:04

LVhandbagsatdawn · 17/12/2025 10:59

I just saw this post after my initial one on Pg 1 - I'm sorry OP, this must be so hard. For both you and him.

You must both be on your last legs, and he's been in pain for three years. Not even considering the stress of jobs.

Are you seeing any family over Christmas? Do you think a bit of an intervention with his parents or siblings might be an effective way of getting the help you (both) need?

He sounds completely ground down and miserable. You must also be exhausted and stressed too.

He is in a lot of pain as I’ve noticed his migraines have hugely ramped up since the moods began, he has a bad one probably weekly. He has some strong painkillers which help but leave him quite groggy and still with a dull ache he says.

Of course the GP appt for the painkillers was arranged by me.

Him being depressed or in need of help isn’t the issue, it’s his refusal to help himself.

We are seeing family this weekend but he’s staying in the accommodation so I can go out in the evening. I feel like we desperately need a monthly date night together but it’s just a pipe dream.

Covid started this all off to a degree, it just ended so many things which looking back he relied on for his MH

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LVhandbagsatdawn · 17/12/2025 10:59

Nastyoldbastardatchristmas · 16/12/2025 19:22

I know what’s happened, neither of us have slept properly for 6 years. The oldest started sleeping through at 1 but caught a hideous and never ending string of nursery bugs which all turned into a chronic viral wheeze and night cough, so for a good 2 years we didn’t sleep with that. Then DS was born, and back to square one. He’s nearly 3 and this month we’ve had a 2 week cold, hand foot and mouth, some kind of sick bug. Generally he sleeps through but of course they have regressions, wake up with endless snotty noses and coughs, have nightmares. It’s been relentless.

Add to that we have no family help and no babysitter (friends all have their own kids, nursery staff not interested, wouldn’t trust anyone else) and I think we have had time alone together probably once a year. I’m not kidding, it’s brutal.

His career is demanding with lots of deadlines (solicitor). He used to meet with his friends weekly but Covid put an end to that.

He’s also had a few health complaints including a knee injury 3 years ago which has stopped him from being able to exercise which was his main hobby. He’s had physio etc but just can’t get to the bottom of what’s wrong with it.

He did go to the GP and get put on sertraline but he said it made no difference.

I feel a bit sorry for him but equally I’m unwell myself a lot of the time and still don’t make his life a living hell by being so negative and miserable.

I just saw this post after my initial one on Pg 1 - I'm sorry OP, this must be so hard. For both you and him.

You must both be on your last legs, and he's been in pain for three years. Not even considering the stress of jobs.

Are you seeing any family over Christmas? Do you think a bit of an intervention with his parents or siblings might be an effective way of getting the help you (both) need?

He sounds completely ground down and miserable. You must also be exhausted and stressed too.

Nastyoldbastardatchristmas · 17/12/2025 10:58

Piglet89 · 17/12/2025 10:52

I feel really sorry for him - I have felt similar and we have only one kid, whom we sleep trained early doors, chiefly because we also have zero family support and I knew having continually broken sleep would kill me and make me even more depressed.

Was he fully on board with having your second child?

Yes he was. I think he’s found family life harder than he expected but to give him his credit I can’t complain about doing more than my fair share because I don’t. He commented the other day that the phase of very intense hard work has gone on much longer than he expected (and I feel the same). It’s just small things like the 6 year old has only just started really occupying or playing by herself, until a few weeks ago she would literally follow you from room to room, wait outside the toilet etc - I think he finds it very claustrophobic (as do I tbh), plus I think he really thought they would sleep through very reliably from 18 months. I wouldn’t have believed a child could be waking for 8 solid months with a night time cough before we had kids, but here we are.

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Piglet89 · 17/12/2025 10:52

Nastyoldbastardatchristmas · 16/12/2025 19:22

I know what’s happened, neither of us have slept properly for 6 years. The oldest started sleeping through at 1 but caught a hideous and never ending string of nursery bugs which all turned into a chronic viral wheeze and night cough, so for a good 2 years we didn’t sleep with that. Then DS was born, and back to square one. He’s nearly 3 and this month we’ve had a 2 week cold, hand foot and mouth, some kind of sick bug. Generally he sleeps through but of course they have regressions, wake up with endless snotty noses and coughs, have nightmares. It’s been relentless.

Add to that we have no family help and no babysitter (friends all have their own kids, nursery staff not interested, wouldn’t trust anyone else) and I think we have had time alone together probably once a year. I’m not kidding, it’s brutal.

His career is demanding with lots of deadlines (solicitor). He used to meet with his friends weekly but Covid put an end to that.

He’s also had a few health complaints including a knee injury 3 years ago which has stopped him from being able to exercise which was his main hobby. He’s had physio etc but just can’t get to the bottom of what’s wrong with it.

He did go to the GP and get put on sertraline but he said it made no difference.

I feel a bit sorry for him but equally I’m unwell myself a lot of the time and still don’t make his life a living hell by being so negative and miserable.

I feel really sorry for him - I have felt similar and we have only one kid, whom we sleep trained early doors, chiefly because we also have zero family support and I knew having continually broken sleep would kill me and make me even more depressed.

Was he fully on board with having your second child?

Nastyoldbastardatchristmas · 17/12/2025 10:50

Conthin12 · 17/12/2025 10:02

That is a very low benchmark you have there

New username? Check. History of panicking snide comments to others? Check.

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Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · 17/12/2025 10:47

It doesn't sound like a "very dark place" ffs.

It sounds dysfunctional and miserable for you OP.

My advice:

Don't be dragged down by his attitude. Don't absorb his bullshit. YOU get to choose your mood and your attitude. Imagine a shield of radiance around you that deflects his negativity. Choose how you want to feel and behave around your family. Don't let him stop you living.

I would make an effort to carve out AND PRIORITISE regular and fixed "me time" for both of you twice a week. He can exercise if he wants and I would encourage that, you can do whatever pleases you. I suggest 90 mins each twice a week. So that's one morning a weekend and then a couple of evenings. There is no reason you cannot do this. Stop making excuses and do it.

If you want to try to salvage things, or don't want to leave DH with the DC, then look at an experienced nanny to use as a babysitter or ask a friend.

Nastyoldbastardatchristmas · 17/12/2025 10:47

BitOutOfPractice · 17/12/2025 10:34

Sorry I didn’t mean to kick you when you’re down. I wasn’t sure, from how you phrased it, whether you were kidding yourself that they don’t know. It’s easy to do, I know from experience.

I’m not ‘kidding myself they don’t know’ but neither do I think living with a grumpy parent for a couple of years is enough to inflict life ruining trauma. Some responses can be so dramatic and seem designed to panic you, at a time when you need to stay level headed and practical. I guarantee my kids abruptly being made to leave their house and friends to live in an area they don’t know, with an exhausted mum waking them for a 2 bus journey to school every day would be much worse than what’s going on here.

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whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 17/12/2025 10:38

Nastyoldbastardatchristmas · 17/12/2025 08:12

It did make me laugh though, the idea that somebody would consider it reasonable to prioritise my sex life at this point in time 😂

As you have discovered most folks will bring their own emotional (and other!) baggage to their responses to you. Some of it is dire and says a lot about them and nothing about your situation, so just ignore it! You sound like you have a plan and a timeline. Only thing I would say is that things that sound insurmountable/hugely challenging in terms of change, even if they are that in the short term, they do improve. You have to assume things will be hard in the transition but be confident that they will get immeasurably better after that. It was the case for me, and for many others who have been through a separation. Separation is never easy, especially with kids involved but there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Good luck!

BitOutOfPractice · 17/12/2025 10:34

Nastyoldbastardatchristmas · 17/12/2025 07:24

Thanks for that, yes I’m bloody aware

Sorry I didn’t mean to kick you when you’re down. I wasn’t sure, from how you phrased it, whether you were kidding yourself that they don’t know. It’s easy to do, I know from experience.

Conthin12 · 17/12/2025 10:02

Nastyoldbastardatchristmas · 17/12/2025 09:04

I mean it isn’t ‘traumatic’, I would reserve that for children in Gaza or are witnessing their mum being beaten black and blue. But yes obviously isn’t it’s optimal.

That is a very low benchmark you have there

Mindgardner · 17/12/2025 10:00

If he isn't violent quietly film him not with your own phone as he's likely to notice then at night when he is calmest show him his behaviour and try to discuss being a bit less aggressive in his day to day actions.

TwoTuesday · 17/12/2025 09:57

I am just wondering how 50/50 would work if you and stbx are living a distance apart, as you mentioned the bus journeys to school and work if you move now, or are you hoping to be the main parent? I would want to be settled in an area well before them starting school so you can get the school application in etc.
If he's ok about money why can't you get a car now? The insurance will be expensive if you haven't got a no claims record. You could be building that up now, while he can subsidise you.
Have you got your own bank accounts as well as the joint one? Can you start saving for your deposit and furnishing costs for your new place. There will never be a good time to leave but the sooner you start the sooner it will be over.

Nanny0gg · 17/12/2025 09:54

Nastyoldbastardatchristmas · 16/12/2025 22:30

Thanks all.

Oddly (because I know how it sounds here) I have no concerns about him being difficult about money or splitting, firstly we have a joint account and all money goes into that, despite the fact he earns a lot more he’s never once tried to control my spending. It’s just that when I receive a pay rise our earnings will be fairly even, and if he wants to do 50/50 which I assume he will, he won’t owe me anything.

There’s a multitude of reasons why I can’t run off right now and like I said my priority is the DC, if they were in any way withdrawn or scared I would of course leave immediately but they’re not. He’s not aggressive or scary, just really negative. The only time he gets worked up is in the car but this involves just more muttering.

He might state 50/50 for financial reasons but do you really think he'll do it?

Nastyoldbastardatchristmas · 17/12/2025 09:40

colddarkdarkcold · 17/12/2025 09:37

I hope all goes well and for what it’s worth I think you’ve handled yourself with grace and dignity on this thread. Hold onto that. Your children are lucky.

Thank you so much, I’m grateful for that.

It’s difficult to paint a full picture on the internet - people create a mental image for themselves based on a few words, when the reality is usually much more of a grey area and less straightforward.

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colddarkdarkcold · 17/12/2025 09:37

Nastyoldbastardatchristmas · 17/12/2025 09:29

Finances wise it is much better for me to wait until summer 2027. I’m don’t have the energy to post the very complicated breakdown of what our circumstances are (then answer the inevitable questions which have misunderstood it, or say ‘that doesn’t add up..’, or ‘but why can’t you just X’ about something which for further reasons I cannot do).

Waiting would mean a very straightforward case of me being able to move into a nice house, which I can afford to run independently and without any help, in time for my youngest to start school, in my ‘support network area’ and just as a number of other loose ends tie themselves in terms of work and commuting etc.

I am categorically not moving my kids out into a dilapidated social housing flat somewhere then taking 3 bus journeys in the morning just to drop them off and get to work (I don’t even know if I could do this, we live fairly rurally). I don’t believe everyone advocating for this would actually do it themselves in my shoes, it’s just easy to type and the human curiosity side of them wants to see action ‘now’ rather than the OP frustratingly saying it can’t happen.

DH is very reasonable about money and has never been tight. I have full access to all his money, spend what I like, and he has never once mentioned it or criticised me. Money has never featured in our disagreements.

I hope all goes well and for what it’s worth I think you’ve handled yourself with grace and dignity on this thread. Hold onto that. Your children are lucky.

Nastyoldbastardatchristmas · 17/12/2025 09:36

looselegs · 17/12/2025 09:33

So what would happen if he suddenly decided to leave you in a few months time? You'd be in the same boat.

Then I would stay in the family home and refuse to leave.

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Nastyoldbastardatchristmas · 17/12/2025 09:35

UneAnneeSansLumiere · 17/12/2025 08:41

This particular poster has had a vast number of different usernames and always has the same MO. I have no idea why Mumsnet can't do anything about them, but I always call them out when I spot them.

It’s a shame, other OPs might be feeling quite weakened emotionally and take it to heart. It’s just nastiness dressed up as ‘pointing things out’.

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looselegs · 17/12/2025 09:33

Nastyoldbastardatchristmas · 16/12/2025 17:59

Little choice in the matter. We only bought this house early this year, because things did look like they were improving since last summer but have since gone downhill again. This last few weeks have been noticeably much worse though. Before I don’t think the kids really noticed it as a lot of the negativity was aimed at me, but I think they are now.

If I left now I would be penniless. I’m getting a substantial pay rise summer 2027, and by then will also have a car as I’m due a small inheritance and that’s what I plan to spend the money on. I’m disabled (autoimmune conditions - so physically able but feel unwell, tired etc a lot of the time) and would only cope if living close to my sister for support. She is a SAHM and has offered to help with school runs etc (she’s dependable and offered sincerely).

Leaving now would mean a dependence on UC, taking the bus everywhere, a rundown house on a rundown estate, a school move, and being further from family. I can’t face that

So what would happen if he suddenly decided to leave you in a few months time? You'd be in the same boat.

Nastyoldbastardatchristmas · 17/12/2025 09:29

Finances wise it is much better for me to wait until summer 2027. I’m don’t have the energy to post the very complicated breakdown of what our circumstances are (then answer the inevitable questions which have misunderstood it, or say ‘that doesn’t add up..’, or ‘but why can’t you just X’ about something which for further reasons I cannot do).

Waiting would mean a very straightforward case of me being able to move into a nice house, which I can afford to run independently and without any help, in time for my youngest to start school, in my ‘support network area’ and just as a number of other loose ends tie themselves in terms of work and commuting etc.

I am categorically not moving my kids out into a dilapidated social housing flat somewhere then taking 3 bus journeys in the morning just to drop them off and get to work (I don’t even know if I could do this, we live fairly rurally). I don’t believe everyone advocating for this would actually do it themselves in my shoes, it’s just easy to type and the human curiosity side of them wants to see action ‘now’ rather than the OP frustratingly saying it can’t happen.

DH is very reasonable about money and has never been tight. I have full access to all his money, spend what I like, and he has never once mentioned it or criticised me. Money has never featured in our disagreements.

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mommatoone · 17/12/2025 09:26

I couldn't live like this, he's sounds like a petulant child. Loads of people are knackered due to having kids / work etc , but they do something about it. Its called being a grown up. He sounds insufferable and this will already be having an impact on your kids. I would rather be 'penniless' for a while than constantly wait to see what mood my DH was in today. Good luck OP ,you're gonna need it with this one.

DoBeGoodDontBeBad · 17/12/2025 09:25

If I were in your situation I would make as many plans as I could with friends that had kids of a similar age. If I didn't have these friends - I'd join every kids club I could manage until I had them. Then just go out and leave him to it as often as you can. Especially right now over Christmas.

Have some fun and laughter with other people and this will help you cope with the next 18 months.