To be concerned about a war?

A no from you ?
It won’t be a question
It’s kind of like if you were facing the death penalty and you knew you were gonna get hanged do you take the sedative and go knowing you’re gonna get hanged but you’ll be away with the fairies
Or do you kick off fight punch drag your feet scream but get hanged anyway?

This is a very pertinent question. And I think it boils down to economics. The phrase "theatre of war" springs to mind. Preparing for a war that is unlikely to happen will influence "the market" and funnel investment into the most persuasive hands. It's part of the exercise of wealth transfer that became blatantly obvious during the pandemic.

We pawns on the bottom rung of the ladder are just collateral damage, and being led by the nose by the leverage of a variety of "ideological / patriotic / religious" carrots.

My big question with all these imminent threats is what are they all waiting for, if they claim such influence and want a result? It's like continuous edge play, almost as if they're waiting to see what we'll do.... and I'm aware someone is probably going to ask me archly "who is this mysterious 'they', " and make Illuminati references. But honestly I think "they" are just the wealthy, the powerful, and they just network to win for shits and giggles, because if the shit hits the fan, they'll have the means to protect themselves while we fight for survival.

It really does feel like some kind of sadistic game from my admittedly cynical perspective.

@MissConductUS ,

But Russia would be fighting all of NATO, not just the UK.

Aside from nukes, what has Russia got that can get anywhere near NATO’s capabilities?!

I'm an American Army veteran. The Russians would first attack Britain's already greatly depleted military assets - Navy and Army bases, RAF bases, Navy ships at sea, etc. Then they'd attack targets like GCHQ, MoD facilities, British ports, natural gas distribution infrastructure, power generation, and communications nodes.

Britain would be so occupied with crises just trying to help civilians survive that it would be out of any larger fight against the Russians.

Randomly DD2 (20) & I were talking about this yesterday. She had bought it up as a subject she wanted to discuss.

she told me she would go to prison rather than fight. I asked her what she based that on considering she came from a military family.

she told me that this question was brought up by her A level teacher in year 12 as a philosophical question, so ages ago.

it got me thinking about the difference to her dads generation when being in the military was a respected and noble profession. Likewise her uncle, grandfather, great grandfather etc.

now the military is so run down and not fit for purpose.

I asked DH how he would feel if one of his kids wanted to go into the forces and his reply is unprintable.

once it was a thing of pride.
now I think they’re just looking for cannon fodder.

sorry but it’d be a ‘NO’ from me 😔

I don't believe for a second that we are going to end up in a war with Russia. It just doesn't make sense. What we do need to ask is why is this war scenario being pushed so much by various EU leaders and even our own PM?

Well you do know how to stop them, Donbas

My point was that Russia can’t be that much a worldwide threat if they can’t even defeat Ukraine. I’m not saying they haven’t caused damage, I’m saying they haven’t overpowered one country so op shouldn’t worry about them taking on another country as they’re struggling with what they have started

But they've caused unimaginable loss, death and suffering to Ukraine over the past three years - attacking Britain and causing 1% of the damage they've caused in Ukraine would still be horrendous. I really don't know how we stop them.

I would love to know how people see this hypothetical war panning out?

So Putin, despite having his ass handed to him trying to take Ukraine, and now reducing his ambition to 20% of it, decides, on a totally mad whim to take Latvia (say).

Latvia call on NATO, who pretty quickly develop air superiority and make Putin’s troops fish-in-a-barrel to be bombed at will.

And then? Either Russia retreat and give up, or they retaliate with unconventional weapons (probably tactical nukes). So, we either have a very short war which we win easily, or nuclear Armageddon. Not seeing much in the middle!

What I cannot imagine is British troops in any way fighting Russian troops on the ground.

Having read the whole thread now and having watched the stockpiling and empty shelves during covid then this is how it will go I reckon.

Disrupt our gas supplies, food imports, communications then sit back and wait for the inhouse arguing - this thread being the perfect example.
Then once the supermarkets shelves are empty, hungry, cold and tired neighbours will start looting to find food for their children. Neighbour will turn on neighbour and civil war will ensue.

Putin wont need to set foot on our soil.

Anyone remember covid when neighbours were grassing each other up and happy to buy all the stock in the supermarkets even if it meant others went without.

Once the first person gets a gun to defend their home/food/supplies you will need to follow or be unable to defend yourself.

Whilst all this chaos is going on it would be super easy to do another salisbury in a bigger area or perhaps co-ordinated attacks in many areas.

We got ourself into this war when we armed and sent money to Ukraine and housed their fleeing citizens. We are at least partly responsible for Ukraine lasting this long in the fight. So anyone saying this is not our war can think again. We made it our war when we picked a side and did not remain neutral.

I'm also slightly amused at the person who said Russia can't even conquer Ukraine so no way is Britain in danger. I'm pretty sure the Ukraine population is a far hardier lot than we are. Just because Russia has found them to have much more fighting spirit than they anticipated does not mean the UK would not fold like a pack of cards.

I too remember 2019 and talk in the news of this far off virus in china and thinking 'oh well that's China though, nothing to do with us'. Next thing I was up at 3am trying to get a supermarket slot as that is when they released some to ensure I could feed my family.

Let war happen might wake a few people up.

I watched some documentaries on the bosnian wars recently and was horrified at what went on. Mothers shot, teenage daughters taken for 'entertainment'.

I'm not saying any war would follow the same format as the Bosnian wars because that was completely different. However I for one will be first in line for training on how to fire a gun as well as one of my own if it all goes to shit.

I mean I don't want to fight. Def not. However if scary people are going to be doing war like things then I want to at least have a chance of defending myself.
So that means at least learning how to shoot and own a gun.

Like most others I doubt it will come to shooting and being shot. Far more likely to be poisoned (Salisbury anyone) or disruptions to our banking, electricity, food supplies etc (in which case I can see civil war as civilians start fighting among themselves).

I don't really want to think about but given the news recently of russian submarines in our water, russian ships trying to get too close, salisbury attack etc I'm pretty sure they are already trying to hurt us or at least scope us out for attack. I mean how easy would it be for them to disrupt/cut off our communications systems and launch an air attack/nuclear attack?

Whether we like it or not our country's MP's have been vocal about supporting ukraine not to mention offering homes to fleeing ukrainians. We are also a tiny country known to have a weak, shambolic goverment and a lack of army/defence spending. Can you imagine the message it would give the world if he managed to 'give us a hiding'.

Unlike the Ukraines who have fought bravely I look around at our overweight, benefit claiming, mentally ill population and think 'god help us'

I hope if it happens we get given something we can take to kill ourselves if necessary. Not sure if that would still be a cyanide tablet or if there is something more modern.

Worrying times. Given Trump keeps changing his mind as to which side he appears to be on this will be embolding Putin.

Sure. He’ll be the Tommy Cooper warmonger: “Just like that”. 🙄

Oh dear, he doesn't need to send any army here, just cut our underwater cables and dump 1 bomb on London. And we won't even retaliate, cause US won't allow.

All kids east of Germany are now learning at school how to assemble rifles, aged 14, learning how to create an effective resistance, what to do during an invasion and how to shoot using a real rifle (at 18). And our government here does nothing because it would be hugely unpopular with Tik-Tok addicted, ADHD, ASD and anxiety-diagnosed bedroom-bound youngsters. National Service must start now. Russia has a huge navy. Their submarines are already in our waters, preparing to start cutting our cables/pipes. When it all starts - gas gone, electricity gone, Internet gone. Our army is very small and our nuclear capabilities depend on US.

Okay, I’m hypothetically blood thirsty 🤣🤣

And hypothetically you'd shoot people unwilling to fight in a hypothetical war? I'd call that bloodthirsty.

Not really, we’re discussing a hypothetical situation

Well you're one brand of extremist or another, and bloodthirsty with it. Easy mistake to make.

If we conscripted all of Boris Johnson's children that would double the strength of the military at a stroke !

Honestly I just ignore it. Can't change anything if it did ever happen, just get on with your life.

That’s when the shooting starts
Nothing happens overnight it’s the boiled frog Analogy.
You have a street of 100 families
90 of them refused to fight
So you put one of them in prison and take their children away from them
Three or four of them will try to run to another country that isn’t currently war torn
You have 95 families then who are faced with the choice of having your children taken off you while you’re imprisoned
Or the fathers and the sons within the family sign up for the army to save the female relatives
And then eventually they die and there’s not enough of them so the females sign up anyway
Honestly, I’ve only ever watched a handful of war movies and even I know how it happens. How are people so dim?

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couldn’t be Further from the truth, dear