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All our children are different religions, Christmas is feeling overwhelming

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Ellipsie · 16/12/2025 06:31

DH and I have 4 children, all now adults, all married. We are CofE Christians, our children were raised CofE Christians and Christmas for us has always been religion first.

Our eldest DD married a lovely Muslim and converted to Islam. Her 2 children are being raised Muslim.
Our youngest DD married her best friend from secondary school, he is Jewish, he leans liberal and isn’t as devout as DD1s family, but they celebrate Jewish holidays, go to synagogue for Yom Kipur/Rosh Hashanah etc. and always without fail have Shabbat dinner with his family. Their daughter is now 3 so more aware than in previous years.
Both of our DS are loosely Christian, church on Easter and Christmas only but do view Christmas as being religion first.

For our daughters they both have different approaches to Christmas.
My eldest daughter doesn’t want any presents for her children for Christmas, she has asked we celebrate them at Eid instead, which is of course understandable and absolutely fine. They will be joining us for dinner on Christmas Day though.
Our youngest daughter has a different approach where by they still celebrate Christmas “culturally”, so they do Father Christmas and have a Christmas tree etc. They also allow us to give their child a gift at Christmas.

Now our grandchildren are no longer babies I am finding it all a bit tricky to navigate. This year we have 7 grandchildren.
Our eldest DDs 2 children are now 4 and 2, our eldest son has a 3 year old and a 1 year old, our younger son has a 2 year old and a newborn and our youngest daughter has a 3 year old.

This is the first year we will be hosting Christmas with children who are aware of what’s going on. I’m terrified that as DD1 doesn’t want us give her children gifts they are going to feel awful as we will be giving the others gifts. I thought we could get around this by having our grandchildren who will get gifts come over earlier and receive them but as DD2 isn’t Christian and doesn’t do church that won’t be possible.

At the same time I’m also terrified about getting the language right, Christmas has always been religious for us, but now I’m thinking do I need to present everything as “well granny and grandad believe this, but others don’t”?

It’s got me very stressed out and I don’t want to upset or offend any of my children.

AIBU to struggle with this? Does anyone have any advice or ideas on how I can make this work?

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TempestTost · 16/12/2025 10:36

MarvellousMonsters · 16/12/2025 08:34

What a silly thing to say.

Christmas, or the Feast of the Nativity, has been celebrated by Christians for well over 1000 years, in the Middle East, Asia, where and Africa where the earliest Christian communities are, Europe, and even in the Americas for many centuries, in both the Northern and Southern hemispheres.

It's not a "winter" festival in many of those places, btw. Because you know in many of the places where people are Christians it isn't particularly wintry, or it's actually the height of summer.

zingally · 16/12/2025 10:36

And speaking of the Jewish side... Children "inherit" their faith from their mothers in Judaism. So unless she has officially converted, which you don't say she has (it's very difficult to do apparently), her children aren't Jewish.
They can be "culturally" Jewish, but not officially so.

zingally · 16/12/2025 10:34

Your adult children have attended enough of your christmases to know how it's going to run, surely?

As for presents, can't the children have them to take home with them? Even if it's just a discrete carrier bag handed to the parent at the door? I understand you'd much prefer to see the children open them, but it would be very unfair for the 4yo muslim, who just wouldn't understand.

Personally, I'd have forgone all gifts and taken them gifts to open at their appropriate religious festival.
"Hi DDs, I've decided that it's probably easier all round if I don't give any of the children gifts at Christmas. I'll keep hold of them and distribute them at "relevant" celebration!"

TBH, this sounds like a lot of religious overkill. But perhaps I'm too much of an atheist to understand! It just seems like you are going to a LOT of effort to bend to your adult children who had no interest whatsoever in keeping to their childhood faith - and indeed jumped into a new one for a man - which also rather implies they aren't that fussed what religion they are!

Caterpillar1 · 16/12/2025 10:31

If you live in the UK, it's a Christian country - the King is the head of Church of England. Christmas is a national holiday. Just give gifts to all the kids - you don't need to justify. Your daughter is unreasonable. I cannot imagine giving gifts only to some kids, they would be devastated!
BTW, my DH and I are of different religions and we celebrate each other's festivals.

godmum56 · 16/12/2025 10:26

OhDear111 · 16/12/2025 06:53

Religion should not be an issue that requires such rule following! There’s a degree of intolerance here. Just have a family day and for once, put religions to one side.

You’ve obviously got dc who have rejected your religion and prefer to follow the men in their lives. Religion should not be causing such a minefield and where’s the tolerance of others if present giving isn’t allowed? You all want what you want and don’t seem to value each other as people - just the rules your various religions dictate.

If dc get upset about no presents, that’s up to their parents. It’s not up to you to explain to them. Are they giving you a present or is it just their religion only? It all feels a bit sad to me and dictatorial.

I also know some Muslim families happily give and receive gifts at Christmas. It’s an exchange of gifts! It’s not a crime against religion. You all need to put the rules to one side and enjoy a family day.

this. I would suggest that you set up a family chat if you don't have one, and set out, gently and kindly, what YOU will be doing in YOUR house at Christmas. Those of your family who are happy to join you are welcome and those who can't fall in with you will be welcome to visit on another day.

Ebsalami · 16/12/2025 10:25

KitWyn · 16/12/2025 10:22

Bit rude! Islam has huge requirements around its worship, many of which are very sexist towards women and girls. Women (however clever, brave, good and charismatic) cannot be imams. And women and girls are strictly forbidden from the Mosque's main prayer hall which is reserved only for use by men and older boys.

It makes Christianity (even High Church Catholicism) seem positively feminist and warmly mellow!

I agree, but I don’t see that any of that is relevant to the issue of whether or not to say grace before a meal.

Christmasbear1 · 16/12/2025 10:25

I don't understand why dd1 won't accept gifts for her children. She doesn't have to celebrate Christmas to accept gifts. Her husband's family will be giving her children presents on Eid. I'm Hindu so we don't have any restrictions on celebrating any other religions holidays. However, I remember seeing a video online saying that Muslim converts should go visit their family for Christmas and exchange presents. Converts tend to to be a lot stricter.

At school, my Muslim friends would take part in secret Santa etc. Not going to your son's wedding as it is in a church is extreme. Most Muslims won't care. In fact a Muslim man can marry a Christian woman without them converting. They're all abrahamic religions and she seems to be taking it too seriously! But not sure why she would come to yours on Christmas though if she is so against it?

BunnyLake · 16/12/2025 10:25

Ebsalami · 16/12/2025 10:03

Can your God only hear you if you speak aloud?

Imagine all the voices going on in his head, it must be 24/7 cacophony.

Personally I’d be booking a holiday away every year if I had to navigate all this.

KitWyn · 16/12/2025 10:22

Ebsalami · 16/12/2025 10:03

Can your God only hear you if you speak aloud?

Bit rude! Islam has huge requirements around its worship, many of which are very sexist towards women and girls. Women (however clever, brave, good and charismatic) cannot be imams. And women and girls are strictly forbidden from the Mosque's main prayer hall which is reserved only for use by men and older boys.

It makes Christianity (even High Church Catholicism) seem positively feminist and warmly mellow!

SchrodingersKoala · 16/12/2025 10:22

Why are you tip toeing around their new found religions, surely it should be up to the ones who decided to convert to navigate all this? They know you are Christians and always have been, they will know how Christmas works in your house so they should be able to slot back into what was once their religion/festive holiday too if they decide to join you. They need to respect your traditions too, not have you tie yourself in knots trying to accommodate them.

It does seem odd that they still want to join in Christmas day but then stipulate things like no presents, surely you either join in or you don't? If I was hosting I'd say they should either arrive a couple of hours after everyone else or take themselves off for a walk/local pub for a couple of hours so everyone else can do presents and it doesn't spoil the santa magic for the other children. They should be coming up with a solution to this though if it is their choice not to join in, not expecting you to somehow come up with something that keeps everyone happy.

TwoTuesday · 16/12/2025 10:21

Your eldest daughter sounds like a nightmare and she could well ruin your day. Can you see her and her fam another day? It isn't right to "insist" on things when you are a guest.
You should celebrate Christmas your way. Why does her religion trump yours? It's ridiculous. There is no need for her to make it a battleground.
I would arrange presents for another day if she is coming, as her child will be upset to have none. She has no right to disrupt your own religious observance especially in your home. Why should you give presents for Eid when you don't believe in it? Who is looking out for you in all this?
I get that you want everyone together but you could do that another time? And have a nice Christmas without being made to feel awkward. Your daughter knows how important your religion is so she should respect it, like you do hers.

Iamnotalemming · 16/12/2025 10:18

You sound like a kind and thoughtful mother and grandmother. It sounds like you are doing your best. If the GC who don't get presents are upset then that's down to their parents to explain to them why, not you. Please don't stress.

GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 16/12/2025 10:15

Small gift each I mean.

Genevieva · 16/12/2025 10:14

Ellipsie · 16/12/2025 07:04

I’m almost certainly overthinking. There is history of DD1 just being extremely difficult when it comes to religion. She skipped her brothers weddings as they were in churches, has got into some heated rants towards DD2 and her husband over religion/politics (admittedly they don’t rise to it). It also seems to be more directed by DD than her husband who is often telling her to calm down etc.

Can you communicate directly with him in advance and ask him to help you navigate this? I would want to say that you want to welcome them all into your Christmas. You don’t want to dilute your Christmas to the point where it isn’t recognisable. Would he be able to support you doing what you normally do and your grandchildren learning that one set of grandparents have different cultural and religious practices (and a set of cousins also have a third set)? It could be such an amazing opportunity for all your grandchildren to experience the similarities and differences, and also for them to understand that, just as they are all family, these religions are all part of the same family of faiths.

GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 16/12/2025 10:14

I would do it in a traditional Christmas way including a small from for each of them but don’t go crazy. I wouldn’t do Father Christmas under these circumstances.

CombatBarbie · 16/12/2025 10:14

Ellipsie · 16/12/2025 06:45

I have asked if we can do something small just to make sure she doesn’t feel left out and I’ve been told no.

Getting DD2 to talk to DD1 would be nothing short of a Christmas miracle! They don’t really get on very well at all, but they never have done.

Well this seems rather selfish of DD. I can imagine the 4yr old being upset and understandably so. She doesnt get a choice what religion she is following. I know Muslims who celebrate Christmas as in the commercial element not the religious side.

Burnnoticed · 16/12/2025 10:12

Ebsalami · 16/12/2025 10:08

Yes, absolutely, if you want to do it, do it. If, on the other hand, you want to show courtesy to guests you know would be uncomfortable with it, don’t do it.

If you go to someone's house on the day of a religious festival it would be unreasonable not to expect them to celebrate it! If the OP visits her daughters for Shabbat or Eid would the dds remove religious prayers from the event? Of course they wouldn't, nor should they.
What would be unreasonable would be to make your guests take part in the prayers.
But I'm surprised the siblings are still speaking to their sister since she refused to go to their weddings.

KitWyn · 16/12/2025 10:10

Your DD1 is behaving selfishly. I'm sorry you are having to negotiate your way through this.

She is placing you in an impossible position, which will make her children feel unhappy. At that age children often see presents as proxies for how loved they are. So they are furious and very hurt if it appears another child in the family gets more expensive presents from Mum & Dad or the Grandparents and so he or she is more loved.

This isn't an argument for children being given large expensive presents, of course. Just that all the children are treated similarly.

I would buy presents for DD1's children and keep them hidden. If (let's be honest here, when) they get upset I'd take DD1 aside and confess I have already got them presents for Eid, can they have these early? Wrap them in neutral (or Eid appropriate) paper of course.

She'll almost certainly cave. And so she should. If you're a guest you should behave like one, and be grateful and do your very best to fit in and not cause unhappiness.

On the upside, I think that her wanting to attend Christmas lunch is a positive sign. Having your own children can bring back so many happy memories of your own childhood christmases.

Wishing you all a very happy Christmas!

ViciousCurrentBun · 16/12/2025 10:09

Celebrate Christmas as usual, don’t worry about the no gifts your DD can deal with her children being upset if they are. Like your own children their children may choose their own faith though currently all of them are people of the book . Who knows their kids may grow up as non believers.

Ebsalami · 16/12/2025 10:08

Tammygirl12 · 16/12/2025 10:05

That’s not really the point is it. If you want to pray out loud go ahead :)

Yes, absolutely, if you want to do it, do it. If, on the other hand, you want to show courtesy to guests you know would be uncomfortable with it, don’t do it.

Burnnoticed · 16/12/2025 10:07

At least you all believe in the same God.

PrinceYakimov · 16/12/2025 10:07

DD1 sounds like a complete stirrer. I would assume she's coming to cause trouble given she's clearly not there for the meal, the celebration or her siblings.

I would either give her children a present (and tell her beforehand that you will not be leaving them out) or do presents separately- perhaps on Christmas Eve. And I would have an unapologetically religious day - grace, church, decorations, music - the lot.

I'm sad that nobody seems to be thinking of the OP in this. It is very painful to have family reject your religion. Who is looking out for and supporting you, OP?

Tammygirl12 · 16/12/2025 10:05

Ebsalami · 16/12/2025 10:03

Can your God only hear you if you speak aloud?

That’s not really the point is it. If you want to pray out loud go ahead :)

justasking111 · 16/12/2025 10:05

Ellipsie · 16/12/2025 07:04

I’m almost certainly overthinking. There is history of DD1 just being extremely difficult when it comes to religion. She skipped her brothers weddings as they were in churches, has got into some heated rants towards DD2 and her husband over religion/politics (admittedly they don’t rise to it). It also seems to be more directed by DD than her husband who is often telling her to calm down etc.

Converts can be very trying

I'd buy gifts for the little one. Put them in a bag away from the main gifts, tuck them behind the tree. If the child does have a meltdown let mummy deal with it quietly let them know you've wrapped presents and they're behind the tree but it's their call. If they won't relent save them for Eid.

Tulipsriver · 16/12/2025 10:04

BillyBites · 16/12/2025 09:02

Is there a reason why you felt the need to tell us that your eldest dd married a “lovely” Muslim?
Why wouldn’t he be?

I presumed that OP added the word 'lovely' to avoid posters trying to create a narrative about her son in law being controlling or forcing OP's DD to forgoe a treaditional Christmas.

It's not unusual for these kinds of threads to attract racists or islamphobics.