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Drs' payrise should be funded by cutting 23.7% govt pension contribution

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eyeses · 15/12/2025 17:54

The Telegraph today suggests that the Government could fund a significant payrise to Resident Doctors by reducing our surprisingly high payments into their pensions.

"Yet what is often forgotten is that these doctors enjoy bumper pensions worth close to 75pc of their salaries in retirement – and which are guaranteed to rise with inflation each year.
Doctors enjoy index-linked, taxpayer-funded “defined benefit” schemes, many of which pay a proportion of the recipient’s final salary from the day they retire.
Under the NHS scheme, staff contribute between 5.2pc and 12.5pc of their salaries while the state contributes a vast 23.7pc each year.
By comparison, private sector workers, who are almost all enrolled in “defined contribution” pensions where the value of the final pot depends on investment performance, receive a contribution of just 3pc from their employer.
The NHS is paying out nearly £1bn a month in staff pensions, with almost 2,000 staff receiving pensions of more than £100,000 annually – a figure that has more than doubled in a year."

AIBU - No, junior Drs deserve that we fund a big pay rise and huge pension
IANBU - We pay far too much into Dr's pensions and they want the money now

What Resident Doctors don't want you to know about their pay

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Alexandra2001 · 16/12/2025 09:33

BIossomtoes · 16/12/2025 09:28

And because the private healthcare some people think is so wonderful relies on the NHS to train its staff.

ah yes BUPA et al don't train staff nor will they take chronic complex medical/healthcare conditions.

Let alone any existing condition, even if 4 or 5 years since treatment.

Bearnie · 16/12/2025 09:33

Alexandra2001 · 16/12/2025 09:31

Ummm..... because of recruitment freezes and trusts going to direct to overseas Doc's... another reason for the strike

All healthcare experts acknowledge NHS doctor shortages.

There are doctors shortages. There are lots of UKMG without jobs. The country is skint.

The best thing the BMA could do for the NHS is to take a pay cut and ask that more doctor jobs are created with the saving. Less doctor stress, shorter working house, more people employed. Win win!

But no, they want yet more money, which will just make the problem worse.

BlakeCarrington · 16/12/2025 09:32

Bearnie · 16/12/2025 09:24

It’s relevant. Lots of workers are paid less in real terms than 2008 but the doctors are demanding we all pay more in tax to restore their pay. Why should we?

Precisely

Alexandra2001 · 16/12/2025 09:31

Bearnie · 16/12/2025 09:27

I thought there were 12 applicants for each dr job just now, so clearly the NHS has options.

Ummm..... because of recruitment freezes and trusts going to direct to overseas Doc's... another reason for the strike

All healthcare experts acknowledge NHS doctor shortages.

PodMom · 16/12/2025 09:29

Bearnie · 16/12/2025 09:24

It’s relevant. Lots of workers are paid less in real terms than 2008 but the doctors are demanding we all pay more in tax to restore their pay. Why should we?

This is a good point. I used to work in the NHS and moved to academia. Historically moving across to being a senior lecturer meant a step up in pay.

Now my old job in the NHS pays significantly more than being a senior lecturer. To the extent when we advertised (ha ha) a job a year ago, people I spoke to to encourage them to apply for it said no chance as they would be earning a lot more in their NHS job.

I appreciate that's allied health professionals and nurses on A4C pay scales and not doctors. But the principle is the same. No, I don't think it should be a race to the bottom but as a country we aren't (or we're told we're not) in a position for better wage increases - both in the private and public sector.

BIossomtoes · 16/12/2025 09:28

Alexandra2001 · 16/12/2025 09:26

Because we all need healthcare and we need to build up the NHS workforce to meet demand - an aging population.

ATM this Govt is determined to see numbers leaving the NHS to carry on.

And because the private healthcare some people think is so wonderful relies on the NHS to train its staff.

Bearnie · 16/12/2025 09:27

Alexandra2001 · 16/12/2025 09:26

Because we all need healthcare and we need to build up the NHS workforce to meet demand - an aging population.

ATM this Govt is determined to see numbers leaving the NHS to carry on.

I thought there were 12 applicants for each dr job just now, so clearly the NHS has options.

Alexandra2001 · 16/12/2025 09:26

Bearnie · 16/12/2025 09:24

It’s relevant. Lots of workers are paid less in real terms than 2008 but the doctors are demanding we all pay more in tax to restore their pay. Why should we?

Because we all need healthcare and we need to build up the NHS workforce to meet demand - an aging population.

ATM this Govt is determined to see numbers leaving the NHS to carry on.

Bearnie · 16/12/2025 09:24

Alexandra2001 · 16/12/2025 09:22

Well, thats not true, nor is it relevant.

It’s relevant. Lots of workers are paid less in real terms than 2008 but the doctors are demanding we all pay more in tax to restore their pay. Why should we?

Alexandra2001 · 16/12/2025 09:24

Bearnie · 16/12/2025 09:18

Don’t blow their minds! Many public sector workers don’t realise 0% pay rise year after year is a possibility!

They do, because the Tories froze public sector pay in their first term in office, then relaxed it to 1% in their 2nd term.

Deluded.

BIossomtoes · 16/12/2025 09:23

Bearnie · 16/12/2025 09:22

They cannot cut current liabilities but they can change the pension for new joiners.

There wouldn’t be any.

Bearnie · 16/12/2025 09:22

They cannot cut current liabilities but they can change the pension for new joiners.

Alexandra2001 · 16/12/2025 09:22

1457bloom · 16/12/2025 09:16

You do realise a lot of private sector staff haven’t had a pay rise at all for years.

Well, thats not true, nor is it relevant.

Mumski45 · 16/12/2025 09:21

People who don’t understand how pensions work shouldn’t spout nonsense articles about them just to drum up hatred for the government. If this could be done the tories would have already done it when they had the chance. It’s a form of fake news it’s so wrong. I’m not a fan of the current labour government who are totally mismanaging the NHS but this is not a valid option for any government.

1457bloom · 16/12/2025 09:18

Bearnie · 16/12/2025 09:18

Don’t blow their minds! Many public sector workers don’t realise 0% pay rise year after year is a possibility!

Exactly, they are deluded!

1457bloom · 16/12/2025 09:18

Bearnie · 16/12/2025 09:16

Over half of large companies provide private medical cover as standard. This money could be going to the UK healthcare system if we had the funding model they have in European countries. Instead it goes to private companies as the UK healthcare system cannot be relied upon by private companies to keep its workers healthy.

Every employee pays for the NHS through PAYE, they are not getting it for free!

Bearnie · 16/12/2025 09:18

1457bloom · 16/12/2025 09:16

You do realise a lot of private sector staff haven’t had a pay rise at all for years.

Don’t blow their minds! Many public sector workers don’t realise 0% pay rise year after year is a possibility!

1457bloom · 16/12/2025 09:16

Alexandra2001 · 16/12/2025 08:39

Not sorry but i think they deserve a better pay offer.

They got 5% this year, barely the inflation and next year its 2.5%, in real terms, over the last 20 or so years, they ve seen a pay cut.

They aren't asking for a massive pay rise this year but a road map to pay restoration, its very short sighted too, they will simply leave and the NHS will get even worse..... my nr neighbours DD, a resident doc, is now in NZ, the knock on is now her family, c/w a highly skilled maths teacher, have also emigrated.

A resident Doc gets 38k in their first year, increasing to 44k in the 2nd year, for the level of responsibility, thats shite.

As for "holding us to ransom" well, if they don't matter and are entitled fools, they wouldn't be able too.

The Govt are holding a gun over all of our heads, Starmer etc wont be going to an NHS if he became ill, so the ransom argument cuts both ways.

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You do realise a lot of private sector staff haven’t had a pay rise at all for years.

Bearnie · 16/12/2025 09:16

randomchap · 16/12/2025 09:07

Very true

Conversely the private sector relies on the nhs to keep the majority of their workforce and customers well.

Both have a place in society

Over half of large companies provide private medical cover as standard. This money could be going to the UK healthcare system if we had the funding model they have in European countries. Instead it goes to private companies as the UK healthcare system cannot be relied upon by private companies to keep its workers healthy.

1457bloom · 16/12/2025 09:14

BIossomtoes · 16/12/2025 09:08

They’re getting shorter. 🤷‍♀️

Slowly, but still a long way to go. I like you BT and I’m sure IRL we would get along well and I can see your point of view.

ThisMustBeMyDream · 16/12/2025 09:11

You're assuming that public sector workers are in the pension. I'm a midwife and started my first job age 22. I couldn't afford to join the pension until I was 35. My husband is a teacher, he qualified in 2019 age 34. He's just turned 40 and as yet we can't afford for him to join the pension either because the cost of living is so high.

Crofthead · 16/12/2025 09:11

NoSoupForU · 15/12/2025 18:51

I think something has to give, and the pension should be the logical place to cut back. There's nothing to stop anybody saving, investing or opening up a private pension in addition to their workplace pension.

That’s not an favourable alternative though - save your own money instead of the usual gov contribution.

BIossomtoes · 16/12/2025 09:08

1457bloom · 16/12/2025 08:34

With that attitude, it’s no wonder the waiting lists get longer, it’s the selfish staff.

They’re getting shorter. 🤷‍♀️

randomchap · 16/12/2025 09:07

HostaCentral · 16/12/2025 09:04

How would doctors treat patients without the private sector behind them? These amazing people with all their training would have no treatment options without the drugs and machines and instruments, even robots, available to them.

They are a fantastic resource, but ..... They would be nothing without the private sector.

Very true

Conversely the private sector relies on the nhs to keep the majority of their workforce and customers well.

Both have a place in society

HostaCentral · 16/12/2025 09:04

How would doctors treat patients without the private sector behind them? These amazing people with all their training would have no treatment options without the drugs and machines and instruments, even robots, available to them.

They are a fantastic resource, but ..... They would be nothing without the private sector.