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To think that antisemitism now needs to be tackled in the strongest possible way?

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LucyWestenra · 15/12/2025 11:30

The Bondi thread in chat was eye opening.

Forty pages and a lot of it whataboutery, excuses and vile antisemitism.

It’s disgusting.

It needs to be called out. It needs to be rooted out.

I feel so sorry for the Jewish communities everywhere. How can they possibly feel safe?

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noblegiraffe · 15/12/2025 21:12

I was shocked by this court verdict last week

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/jury-finds-two-men-accused-of-khaybar-chant-not-guilty-of-inciting-racial-hatred/

Jewish communal organisations have expressed frustration after two men who allegedly chanted an infamous slogan citing the massacre of Jews were found by a jury to be not guilty of intent to stir up racial hatred.
Video footage from an anti-Israel demonstration in May 2021 near Hyde Park showed a group of men, part of a wider anti-Israel protest, chanting “Khaybar Khaybar, ya yahud, Jaish Muhammad soufa yaʿoud”. The chant translates as “Jews, remember the battle of Khaybar, the army of Muhammad will return”, and cites a 628 CE battle where Jewish tribes in Arabia were exterminated by Muslims

Like, how in the actual fuck is that not stirring up racial hatred?

Video of the chant here:
https://x.com/the_zionist1/status/1393559694023725056?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

The Zionist (@The_Zionist1) on X

At the #FreePalestine demonstration in London today cries of: "Khayber Khayber Ya Yehud jaish Mohammad Sauf Ya'ud" (Khayber Khaybar oh Jews, Mohammad's army is returning)

https://x.com/The_Zionist1/status/1393559694023725056?s=20

PurpleThistle7 · 15/12/2025 21:11

I guess the only confusing and unsettling thing in my current reality is that I am constantly diametrically opposed to people I used to agree with. I have been on many marches for social and political issues and had always considered myself liberal / left / almost socialist maybe / vehement supporter of women’s rights and inclusivity and whatnot.

But now if I go on a pro choice march or an anti trump March or a women’s rights protest I’m confronted with a sea of Palestinian flags and I don’t understand it at all. I’ve spent a lot of time trying to work that out.

I cannot for the life of me understand how you’d bring Palestinian flags to trans rights’ marches - these causes are not friends. But they attract all the same people and it’s genuinely confusing.

Mondaymorning567 · 15/12/2025 21:10

I am not Jewish and I have been appalled at the comments on the threads on here and under newspapers online. It is utterly horrific. The antisemitism is shocking. Is there anything that I as an individual can do which is useful? Are there places I could donate, or is it worth writing to an MP? I know it sounds useless, but I'm just so horrified, not just by the attacks on Jewish people, but by the responses of people. Is there anything practical I can do to make a difference?

DestituteDesperate · 15/12/2025 21:07

I don’t expect anything better from radical Islamists but seeing white liberals facilitating it, is astonishing and astounding.

just look at any thread about Nigel Farage, some people don’t know anything besides what they’re told to think.

of course Jewish people will continue to be persecuted, the entire country is actively participating in antisemitism or too cowardly to stand up to it.

PurpleThistle7 · 15/12/2025 21:04

LucyWestenra · 15/12/2025 20:26

I almost feel bad for starting this thread.

It must be utterly fucking (sorry for swearing) tiresome and soul destroying to be of Jewish descent and seeing the same shite trotted out every time.

Whataboutery, excuses, ignorance and blatant antisemitism .

Fuck me, there’s no hope is there?

Don’t feel bad. There are crazy antisemites and vehement supporters but it’s super important to find all the people in the middle who are open to learning and thinking. On good days I hope these sorts of threads help encourage that.

Hollar · 15/12/2025 21:01

Are there any organisations for Jewish allies?

Lindos1 · 15/12/2025 20:59

Thank you for this post OP.
Such pain.
Absolute rage that our wicked leaders are allowing this to happen.
Why can't Jewish people/ communities just be left the f* alone.
It's spiralling very quickly.
We know from history this is not going to end well.
Feel totally paralysed. Is this how it felt in the 1930s?
What can we do to help?

HappyFace2025 · 15/12/2025 20:55

HappyFace2025 · 15/12/2025 20:47

I doubt very much that this would be the case. Lebanon today is nowhere the same as it was, thanks mainly to Hezbollah taking over the south of the country.

Sorry I responded to the wrong post!

HappyFace2025 · 15/12/2025 20:51

Celestialmoods · 15/12/2025 20:02

Didn’t Haaretz report earlier this year that 82% of Israelis support the forced expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza?

Are people just supposed to stay quiet?

Haaretz is a left wing paper that opposes the right wing government in Israel. I'd take anything they report with a large pinch of salt just as I would a right-wing paper. Equivalent in the UK would be the Guardian and the Telegraph.

HappyFace2025 · 15/12/2025 20:47

25milesfromhome · 15/12/2025 20:08

How would I know? I don't have a subscription. Haaretz aren't exactly known for objectivity, I'm sure they went out of their way to find an equally representative sample of the Israeli population to ask in a completely non biased or leading way.

I doubt very much that this would be the case. Lebanon today is nowhere the same as it was, thanks mainly to Hezbollah taking over the south of the country.

noblegiraffe · 15/12/2025 20:43

I've reported several posts for Islamophobia too. It hasn't been great.

Damnloginpopup · 15/12/2025 20:42

LucyWestenra · 15/12/2025 20:26

I almost feel bad for starting this thread.

It must be utterly fucking (sorry for swearing) tiresome and soul destroying to be of Jewish descent and seeing the same shite trotted out every time.

Whataboutery, excuses, ignorance and blatant antisemitism .

Fuck me, there’s no hope is there?

No. Not really.

Twilightstarbright · 15/12/2025 20:40

@LucyWestenra its starting to feel like that.

I describe myself of Jewish descent- I don’t practice, I married a catholic and my children have no religious upbringing. Yet I’m still targeted by antisemitism and people blaming me for Israeli govt actions. I’ve never been to Israel and have no control over their government.

LucyWestenra · 15/12/2025 20:26

I almost feel bad for starting this thread.

It must be utterly fucking (sorry for swearing) tiresome and soul destroying to be of Jewish descent and seeing the same shite trotted out every time.

Whataboutery, excuses, ignorance and blatant antisemitism .

Fuck me, there’s no hope is there?

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EllaDisenchanted · 15/12/2025 20:13

Celestialmoods · 15/12/2025 20:05

Because I’m told that’s what it was like before Isreal came into existence by people whose parents were there.

my great grandmother survived the pogrom in tzfat (safed). They found her neighbours stabbed to death in their home, after she and her family were smoked out of their home (it was set on fire), before escaping to a British mandate government building.
It was not peace and harmony pre 1948

noblegiraffe · 15/12/2025 20:13

GreenCandleWax · 15/12/2025 20:10

Do you not recall Jeremy Corbyn's faction of the Labour Party that were blatantly anti-semitic, yet the party did f-all about it, and would not challenge it. The cynical thought this was caused if not by sheer apathy, then because they cowardly overlooked it so as to appease a large Muslim block type vote for Labour.

Corbyn has surrounded himself with antisemites for so long that he wouldn't recognise antisemitism if it slapped him in the face.

noblegiraffe · 15/12/2025 20:11

Celestialmoods · 15/12/2025 19:52

Obviously I'm emotionally invested but even just logically I can't work out why people could possibly think Iran + Islamic Republic + the Taliban are the best option to support

You are wrong to think that is the alternative. Palestine would be more like Lebanon, where plenty of Muslims, Jews and Christians live in harmony.

You don't sound like you're supporting a two state solution here.

GreenCandleWax · 15/12/2025 20:10

blankcanvas3 · 15/12/2025 12:28

Sorry how is it not being dealt with strongly already? I agree anti-semitism is awful but I honestly can’t see how the government/police aren’t already dealing with it harshly?

Do you not recall Jeremy Corbyn's faction of the Labour Party that were blatantly anti-semitic, yet the party did f-all about it, and would not challenge it. The cynical thought this was caused if not by sheer apathy, then because they cowardly overlooked it so as to appease a large Muslim block type vote for Labour.

25milesfromhome · 15/12/2025 20:08

Celestialmoods · 15/12/2025 20:02

Didn’t Haaretz report earlier this year that 82% of Israelis support the forced expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza?

Are people just supposed to stay quiet?

How would I know? I don't have a subscription. Haaretz aren't exactly known for objectivity, I'm sure they went out of their way to find an equally representative sample of the Israeli population to ask in a completely non biased or leading way.

EllaDisenchanted · 15/12/2025 20:07

Celestialmoods · 15/12/2025 19:52

Obviously I'm emotionally invested but even just logically I can't work out why people could possibly think Iran + Islamic Republic + the Taliban are the best option to support

You are wrong to think that is the alternative. Palestine would be more like Lebanon, where plenty of Muslims, Jews and Christians live in harmony.

I was taking this seriously til you said Lebanon 😅
Channeling Lyse Doucet in Syria “This is one of the most diverse countries in the Middle East with multiple Christian [and] Muslim sects and you can see it here in the Old City, all the different quarters, Jewish, Muslim, Christian - they’re all here and they want to believe they have a space now as Syria embarks on this new chapter.” All 6-9 Jews left in Syria 😆

it’s hard to know exactly how many Jews are left in Lebanon (between 30-100 reportedly) as they keep an extremely low profile/hide their Jewish identity.

So peaceful. So harmonious.

Celestialmoods · 15/12/2025 20:05

HermioneWeasley · 15/12/2025 19:56

What makes you think that? Given Gaza is governed by Hamas whose stated aim is to kill every Jew they see? I

Because I’m told that’s what it was like before Isreal came into existence by people whose parents were there.

GreenCandleWax · 15/12/2025 20:05

LucyWestenra · 15/12/2025 11:34

Come on, those of you who say I am being unreasonable, tell us why.

20% think you are being unreasonable! That is absolutely shocking Please explain -someone who thinks OP is BU.

Celestialmoods · 15/12/2025 20:02

25milesfromhome · 15/12/2025 19:52

No, the Israeli government has not made it clear that they don't believe in the Palestinian right to exist, this is hyperbole based on a few radical bad actors in the Israeli government who've been conveniently amplified by more bad actors because of their outrageous clickbait extremism. Do you even understand the makeup of the Israeli political system, the Israeli government or know how many members and parties there are and who and what they represent?

Didn’t Haaretz report earlier this year that 82% of Israelis support the forced expulsion of Palestinians from Gaza?

Are people just supposed to stay quiet?

PurpleThistle7 · 15/12/2025 19:57

HermioneWeasley · 15/12/2025 19:56

What makes you think that? Given Gaza is governed by Hamas whose stated aim is to kill every Jew they see? I

I mean if the goal is another Lebanon that's already deeply problematic but I'm guessing that's not what would happen anyway

SisterTeatime · 15/12/2025 19:56

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