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LucyWestenra · 2025-12-15T11:30:41+00:00

The Bondi thread in chat was eye opening. Forty pages and a lot of it whataboutery, excuses and vile antisemitism. It’s disgusting. It needs to be called out. It needs to be rooted out. I feel so sorry for the Jewish communities everywhere. How can they possibly feel safe?

ScribblingPixie · 17/12/2025 15:03

This is pure antisemitism. Repulsive.

Humdingerydoo · 17/12/2025 14:58

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This is antisemitic rhetoric.

For anyone else reading, it's 100% anti-Semitic, not anti Israel, to demand that Jews speak out against Israel. It's pure anti-Semitism. This poster has 'othered' all Jews. I am Jewish but I am also British. I do not need to speak out against anything happening in Israel. I am not responsible. I am not even Israeli. Stop trying to claim that I am.

MrsSkylerWhite · 17/12/2025 14:57

Kingscallops · 17/12/2025 13:08

I might take a dash of bigotry over the murder of a 10 year old or a middle aged couple. Your priorities are clear.

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But do you really not see that it’s bigotry and hatred that the deaths of those poor souls grew from?

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LucyWestenra · 17/12/2025 14:56

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What a vile person you are.

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TravelPanic · 17/12/2025 14:54

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Lindos1 · 17/12/2025 14:54

What was it in the 1930s that 'Jews' didn't speak up about, that led to the Holocaust?

What was it that 'Jews' didn't speak up about that led to the pogroms in Europe & Russia?

PurpleThistle7 · 17/12/2025 14:54

LucyWestenra · 17/12/2025 14:53

Why are posts like that allowed to stand?

People have had posts deleted for far less inflammatory stuff.

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I've stopped reporting things as I think it's actually super important people see what is happening here.

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LucyWestenra · 17/12/2025 14:53

Humdingerydoo · 17/12/2025 14:50

I'm fairly confident this one knows exactly what they're doing. They just know they will get away with it.

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Why are posts like that allowed to stand?

People have had posts deleted for far less inflammatory stuff.

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Humdingerydoo · 17/12/2025 14:50

BackToLurk · 17/12/2025 14:48

As I've said elsewhere, so ingrained they probably don't even know they're doing it.

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I'm fairly confident this one knows exactly what they're doing. They just know they will get away with it.

BackToLurk · 17/12/2025 14:48

Humdingerydoo · 17/12/2025 14:46

This is antisemitic rhetoric.

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As I've said elsewhere, so ingrained they probably don't even know they're doing it.

Humdingerydoo · 17/12/2025 14:46

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This is antisemitic rhetoric.

BackToLurk · 17/12/2025 14:46

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Well more Israelis protest against their government than Gazans protest against theirs, but wait. You didn't say Israelis did you? You said 'Jewish people'. Another one who hasn't fixed their mask properly. You forgot to dress it up as 'Israelis' or 'Zionists'. Silly you.

PinkTonic · 17/12/2025 14:45

singmoon · 17/12/2025 13:22

The UN is not anti semitic. It rightly criticises Israel. That is not anti semitic.

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The UN singles out Israel for criticism and resolutions in a way which is not applied to any other country. This is not rightful criticism. Israel is held to a different standard. The UN is blatantly anti Israel and anti semitic.

Humdingerydoo · 17/12/2025 14:44

PurpleThistle7 · 17/12/2025 14:29

My rabbi went to school with the British Rabbi who died. My brother went to school with one of the hostages who were killed in Israel. I could probably easily find other connections without trying very hard.

My father's synagogue had a mass shooting in 2018 - Tree of Life in Pittsburgh. Every person who died was a friend (well, friendly anyway) of his. The only reason he wasn't there is he forgot his tallit at home and turned around so was a few minutes late. He got there along with the police and saw the aftermath. There is 0 degrees of separation for me in far too many examples of this.

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I am so sorry 😞

PurpleThistle7 · 17/12/2025 14:42

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Palestine can be free... of what exactly? What exactly would you have happen if you had all the power?

And why was my father's synagogue shot up in 2018 then?

HRTQueen · 17/12/2025 14:40

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^^ this is the problem

its the fault of the Jewish people

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PurpleThistle7 · 17/12/2025 14:29

Humdingerydoo · 17/12/2025 14:06

Anyone who has ever lead a Jewish life knows that there is no such thing as six degrees of separation. It's more like three.

I spent less than 24 hours in Sydney over 20 years ago, yet I am within two degrees of separation from a victim of the Chanukah Massacre.

I have never lived in Israel yet was within three degrees of separation to hostages taken on October 7th. Two degrees of separation to a victim during the second Intifada.

Two degrees of separation to someone in Manchester on Yom Kippur.

Two degrees of separation to Dan Uzan who was murdered while standing guard outside a Bat Mitzvah celebration in a synagogue in Copenhagen almost 11 years ago.

When something happens to one of us, it happens to all of us. We all feel it because we all know someone directly affected.

We all feel it, and we all know it could be us next.

This is what it's like being Jewish in 2025, but it's definitely not new for this year.

So the 20% on here who don't think antisemitism is worth combating - why is that? Why don't we matter? Why are we not worth protecting? There are only 15 million of us in the world. You wouldn't even know most of us are Jewish by looking at us. We look like all the rest of you. We come in all different shades, shapes and sizes. We talk like you. We go to the same universities as you. We are the same as you. When you are hurting, we are hurting. But when we are hurting? Silence.

My rabbi went to school with the British Rabbi who died. My brother went to school with one of the hostages who were killed in Israel. I could probably easily find other connections without trying very hard.

My father's synagogue had a mass shooting in 2018 - Tree of Life in Pittsburgh. Every person who died was a friend (well, friendly anyway) of his. The only reason he wasn't there is he forgot his tallit at home and turned around so was a few minutes late. He got there along with the police and saw the aftermath. There is 0 degrees of separation for me in far too many examples of this.

Peridoteage · 17/12/2025 14:27

. If we can agree that we will ruthlessly target anti semitism, which does not include protest at Israel and its actions, then we are in agreement surely?

This. I abhor anti-semitism, have Jewish relatives by marriage, and think that the atrocities committee by both sides of the conflict in Gaza should be condemned. The government of the state Israel & Hamas would be the two counter parties to that, not:

all Palestinians
all Jewish or Israeli people

PurpleThistle7 · 17/12/2025 14:27

singmoon · 17/12/2025 14:13

I oppose anti semitism. I just dispute what is termed anti semitism, when it is in fact legitimate criticism of Israel. If we can agree that we will ruthlessly target anti semitism, which does not include protest at Israel and its actions, then we are in agreement surely?

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I have 0 problems with people protesting a specific action of a specific government that they find problematic. I have and will always have major issues with any protest suggesting - in any way - that an entire country should cease to exist. That is deeply problematic.

The chants and the signs and the posters all over my place of work do not say 'boo Netanyahu and boo this specific situation' they say 'globalise the intifada' and 'israel is a terror state' and 'from the river to the sea'. That is a very, very different thing.

singmoon · 17/12/2025 14:25

Humdingerydoo · 17/12/2025 14:24

Great, so I assume you voted YANBU and therefore you're not one of the 20% who didn't. So absolutely no reason for you to have responded to my post.

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I'm glad you agree with me then

Humdingerydoo · 17/12/2025 14:24

singmoon · 17/12/2025 14:13

I oppose anti semitism. I just dispute what is termed anti semitism, when it is in fact legitimate criticism of Israel. If we can agree that we will ruthlessly target anti semitism, which does not include protest at Israel and its actions, then we are in agreement surely?

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Great, so I assume you voted YANBU and therefore you're not one of the 20% who didn't. So absolutely no reason for you to have responded to my post.

Lindos1 · 17/12/2025 14:18

I never understood HOW the Holocaust happened, but since COVID & Oct 7th, I can.

I knew that anti-semitism had entered the mainstream when back in the summer I was with my v middle class in-laws, & we were discussing the Indian plane crash that had happened the day before. My expensively/ highly educated (Oxbridge), non-woke, not particularly political, late 40s, sister- in- law, remarked 'it was probably Israel', & no one said a thing. Like it was the most normal/sensible thing to say.
There's always nutcases, but she isn't one, & that was the first thing that popped into her head when talking about a plane crash in India.

I know it's nearly Christmas, but things are feeling very dark.

singmoon · 17/12/2025 14:13

Humdingerydoo · 17/12/2025 14:06

Anyone who has ever lead a Jewish life knows that there is no such thing as six degrees of separation. It's more like three.

I spent less than 24 hours in Sydney over 20 years ago, yet I am within two degrees of separation from a victim of the Chanukah Massacre.

I have never lived in Israel yet was within three degrees of separation to hostages taken on October 7th. Two degrees of separation to a victim during the second Intifada.

Two degrees of separation to someone in Manchester on Yom Kippur.

Two degrees of separation to Dan Uzan who was murdered while standing guard outside a Bat Mitzvah celebration in a synagogue in Copenhagen almost 11 years ago.

When something happens to one of us, it happens to all of us. We all feel it because we all know someone directly affected.

We all feel it, and we all know it could be us next.

This is what it's like being Jewish in 2025, but it's definitely not new for this year.

So the 20% on here who don't think antisemitism is worth combating - why is that? Why don't we matter? Why are we not worth protecting? There are only 15 million of us in the world. You wouldn't even know most of us are Jewish by looking at us. We look like all the rest of you. We come in all different shades, shapes and sizes. We talk like you. We go to the same universities as you. We are the same as you. When you are hurting, we are hurting. But when we are hurting? Silence.

I oppose anti semitism. I just dispute what is termed anti semitism, when it is in fact legitimate criticism of Israel. If we can agree that we will ruthlessly target anti semitism, which does not include protest at Israel and its actions, then we are in agreement surely?

moderate · 17/12/2025 14:11

I just voted YANBU in the AIBU "To think that antisemitism now needs to be tackled in the strongest possible way?", but I am not convinced that banning the phrase is the best way to tackle antisemitism.

I think we should make it politically, commercially, and socially unacceptable much as we have done with various slurs that are still not illegal to utter.