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To think that antisemitism now needs to be tackled in the strongest possible way?

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LucyWestenra · 15/12/2025 11:30

The Bondi thread in chat was eye opening.

Forty pages and a lot of it whataboutery, excuses and vile antisemitism.

It’s disgusting.

It needs to be called out. It needs to be rooted out.

I feel so sorry for the Jewish communities everywhere. How can they possibly feel safe?

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Genericfestiveusername · 17/12/2025 16:19

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 13:51

The UK wasn't occupying any country at the time of the Ariana Grande gig. Goodness knows how many terrorist attacks have been foiled since.

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You're right those situations are completely comparable silly me that's why they get the exact same reaction hence why is PP saying "what would happen if it were at Glastonbury" Honestly nuance and context just don't apply anymore do they? Feel free to continue to scratch your head at why people with critical thinking can have a nuanced discussion about this 🫠

Yuja · 17/12/2025 16:17

Peridoteage · 17/12/2025 16:13

I would like to comment (in my own defence?)

I do not agree with the actions of Israel in Gaza.

I also do not agree with the actions of Hamas.

I do not hold any Jewish (or Palestinian, or Islamic) person accountable, or expect them to denounce Israel. I agree that expecting Jewish people to have to "pick a side" & denounce Israel or face abuse is antisemitic and this needs to be tackled.

However i do think:

  • criticism of Israel is not anti semitic.
  • criticism of Hamas is not anti-islamic.
  • people who openly praise/defend/support Hamas's actions, or Israel's, do appear to be "picking a side" and this can lead to criticism of their view, as many people feel the actions of both have included atrocities. This does not mean those people deserve anti semitic or anti islamic abuse in response - we have freedom of speech.

I have found it frustrating on this thread that those most unreasonable and anti semitic responses have been pounced on and acknowledged, while more balanced views have been ignored.

Okay but the thread asks if it is unreasonable to think that anti semitism needs to be tackled in the strongest possible way - what are your thoughts on that, rather than your thoughts about Israel and Hamas? Because bringing in the latter makes this about something else.

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LucyWestenra · 17/12/2025 16:17

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 16:14

I think it's been eye-opening for many people. I echo your thanks to @LucyWestenra

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LucyWestenra · 17/12/2025 16:15

Yuja · 17/12/2025 16:10

And all excused because Israel

thanks for starting this thread though op, I think it’s actually important for people to read it and see the scale of it.

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HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 16:14

Yuja · 17/12/2025 16:10

And all excused because Israel

thanks for starting this thread though op, I think it’s actually important for people to read it and see the scale of it.

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I think it's been eye-opening for many people. I echo your thanks to @LucyWestenra

Peridoteage · 17/12/2025 16:13

I would like to comment (in my own defence?)

I do not agree with the actions of Israel in Gaza.

I also do not agree with the actions of Hamas.

I do not hold any Jewish (or Palestinian, or Islamic) person accountable, or expect them to denounce Israel. I agree that expecting Jewish people to have to "pick a side" & denounce Israel or face abuse is antisemitic and this needs to be tackled.

However i do think:

  • criticism of Israel is not anti semitic.
  • criticism of Hamas is not anti-islamic.
  • people who openly praise/defend/support Hamas's actions, or Israel's, do appear to be "picking a side" and this can lead to criticism of their view, as many people feel the actions of both have included atrocities. This does not mean those people deserve anti semitic or anti islamic abuse in response - we have freedom of speech.

I have found it frustrating on this thread that those most unreasonable and anti semitic responses have been pounced on and acknowledged, while more balanced views have been ignored.

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 16:12

Kingscallops · 17/12/2025 15:26

Resistance and freedom fighters. The only freedom Hamas want involves the annihilation of another race. Anybody on the protests is explicitly or implicitly supporting that. Simple. That goes for many of the apologists and appeasers on here.

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Yuja · 17/12/2025 16:10

LucyWestenra · 17/12/2025 16:07

It’s frightening when you put it like that.

History repeating itself right before our eyes.

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And all excused because Israel

thanks for starting this thread though op, I think it’s actually important for people to read it and see the scale of it.

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LucyWestenra · 17/12/2025 16:07

Yuja · 17/12/2025 15:58

Agree it’s unbelievable. And 20% of 575 voters think the op is unreasonable. That’s 115 people just in this little corner of mumsnet. Multiply that on a national scale and it’s really eye opening how much racism and hatred Jews are subject to

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It’s frightening when you put it like that.

History repeating itself right before our eyes.

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Yuja · 17/12/2025 15:58

utterlytraumatised · 17/12/2025 15:38

I have just read the entirety of this thread and I have never been more disgusted. The antisemitism just shows how bad it is in this country, hidden by the sheep bleating about Gaza.

Agree it’s unbelievable. And 20% of 575 voters think the op is unreasonable. That’s 115 people just in this little corner of mumsnet. Multiply that on a national scale and it’s really eye opening how much racism and hatred Jews are subject to

utterlytraumatised · 17/12/2025 15:38

I have just read the entirety of this thread and I have never been more disgusted. The antisemitism just shows how bad it is in this country, hidden by the sheep bleating about Gaza.

Kingscallops · 17/12/2025 15:26

keepeofthesevenkeys · 17/12/2025 15:19

No but they did once compare them to Nelson Mandela.

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Resistance and freedom fighters. The only freedom Hamas want involves the annihilation of another race. Anybody on the protests is explicitly or implicitly supporting that. Simple. That goes for many of the apologists and appeasers on here.

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LucyWestenra · 17/12/2025 15:22

keepeofthesevenkeys · 17/12/2025 15:19

No but they did once compare them to Nelson Mandela.

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Good grief.

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keepeofthesevenkeys · 17/12/2025 15:19

BackToLurk · 17/12/2025 15:16

You've never spoken out against Hamas

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No but they did once compare them to Nelson Mandela.

Humdingerydoo · 17/12/2025 15:17

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At no point in this thread have I said anything about either. Because that's not what this thread is about. And in the past, I have spoken out against actions by both. So kindly, go away. Your posts have been purely anti-semitic so it's safe to say I'm not the problem, you are.

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You've never spoken out against Hamas

Kingscallops · 17/12/2025 15:15

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 15:12

Posters who did that would no doubt be banned.

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LucyWestenra · 17/12/2025 15:15

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 15:12

Posters who did that would no doubt be banned.

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Yes, you wouldn’t be able to say half of what has been said on here before people would lose their minds and jump up and down while screaming ‘Bigot!’

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HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 15:12

Kingscallops · 17/12/2025 15:09

Imagine going on a thread about Islamophobia and derailing it as is being done here.

Posters who did that would no doubt be banned.

Kingscallops · 17/12/2025 15:09

Imagine going on a thread about Islamophobia and derailing it as is being done here.

Yuja · 17/12/2025 15:08

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Why do Jews have to prove their beliefs about Israel in order not to be a target for racism? And if they don’t do this what - they get murdered on beaches? They get attacked in their synagogues? They get called names when they walk in the street?

HappyFace2025 · 17/12/2025 15:08

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Please take your anti Israel and anti Jewish rhetoric elsewhere. This thread is about rampant antisemitism which you are encouraging with your posts about Israel /Gaza. Thankfully the majority of posters can see through you.

PurpleThistle7 · 17/12/2025 15:08

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What if I don't speak out against either? Am I a bad Jew or a good Jew? Do I deserve freedom of speech and thought or only if I prove my worth to you?

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