To wonder if the Doctors strike will still go ahead next week?

\No one needs to portray them in a less than flattering light, they are are managing to do that all by themselves.

Some people need to maybe shadow a junior doctor for the week and see the reality

There is always a poster on these threads that tries to undermine the plight of resident doctors and portray them in a less than flattering light...

This is absolutely correct. I was a junior doctor in the 1980s. There has always been a pyramid of opportunities to progress. Those that couldn’t get the next job went into General practice alongside those that chose that in the first place. Plenty of doctors left to go to Australia and New Zealand then too. No one has ever had a desk of their own, had their exams paid for, expected to earn lots (that comes when you become a consultant or GP). I lived through those 120 hour weeks, seldom able to eat food when the canteen was open because the bleep went off, and surviving on toast from the nurses on the ward and Quality Street. I know it’s a case of “boomers know nothing” but if you went into medicine for the pay and the working conditions, you chose the wrong career.

Doctors career average salary is still the highest in the public sector. If doctors want a job that is higher paid they shouldn’t have taken that career option, but if you are whining that being a doctor hasn’t made you ‘rich’ I think you need to readjust your expectations.

Housing takes up a lot more of a young persons income than it ever did before. Are there any people under say 35 who feel ‘rich’ regardless of what they earn? If a doctor doesn’t feel rich, no one does.

medicine has always been a difficult and under appreciated job

the whole mess needs looking at again
reward loyalty , improve training and support but make it clear at interview what the reality is -

Unfortunately they have been sold a dream but the reality is pretty horrible - the money isn’t going to fix this for most

also there is a myth being a doctor makes you rich - it doesn’t so if you want to live the life of your wealthy parents and friends - that’s not going to happen - I think this is one of the biggest causes of dissatisfaction - we need a broader demographic of recruits

It certainly isn’t based in reality.

This .

So much ignorance on this thread . The NHS is in an utter ( deliberately politically orchestrated ) mess following legislation like the 2012 H&SC act .
The public have never paid proper attention to what doctors have been telling them is going on for years & I personally don’t blame them if they no longer care if you think they’re ’disgusting’ .
An example : One medical school in this country accepted 80 undergraduate in 2018 .
Only 5 are still working in the hospital system . A further 5 are GPs .
The rest have left Medicine and / or the country .
I worked in the NHS for years . Wouldn’t dream of doing so now .

Well, this may be true but overwhelmingly because of poor educational or life opportunities. These resident doctors are overwhelmingly from cossetted middle class backgrounds;

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/feb/27/only-5-of-uk-medical-school-entrants-are-working-class-data-shows

And this is a powerful factor in the public having lost all sympathy for them. They're now seen as greedy and entitled snowflakes on the whole. The public perception of nurses and paramedics is in stark contrast to that. The comment above about reality is absolutely spot on.

That is comedy gold. Not every one that wants to be a doctor can be one.

What annoys me is that they assume we’re so thick that we’ll believe them

Oh wowza. Yeah of course the doctor is better off

Self employed cleaners earn far more than £23k a year. They need to stop working for tight fisted clients.

F1s earn on average £43,000 and cleaners earn £23,000.

But the BMA and their pawns are strangers to reality.

The anti resident doctor vibe is a result of their unrelaistic demands and the arrogant entitled attiude of some to their colleagues in the NHS.
The anti PA, management, older consultants, nurses,physios, nurse practitioner, international medical graduates rhetoric whihc has been spewing outof the BMA and their spokespersons mouths is repulsivea nd has turend alot of people against them.

They quote working conditions of the 1990s and 2000s of 80-120hr weeks, 2\3 days weekends, no access to food,no study leave, no protected teaching time and exams with a passrate of 20% into their current day working life and nothing could be further from the truth. If you were a consultant who lived and worked through the shit of the 19802, 90s and 2000s for a lot less pay then listening to resident doctors who have no clue what a 24 hr on call is, have protected time, study leave do an average of 40-44 hrs per week - but claim to be exhausted and cliam neurodiversity if they fail a professional exam then you may be a little cynical

Question for accountants/lawyers/actuaries etc - how many exam resits are typically permitted?

But I think the earning potential overtime probably makes the doctor better off?

Most cleaners don't have a medical degree and £100k of student debt accruing 8% interest to pay back.

Who is better off financially at the end of the day?

A lot are self employed so need earn extra to cover the expenses of that.

Not where I live minimum £20 an hour in private homes.

I always thought cleaners only made NMW??

Horrible to see the unpleasant posts about resident doctors. Their pay went from £14 to £18 an hour. A cleaner where I live is at least £20 an hour...not looking down on cleaners before another strange post surfaces. Just saying...

Deleted as I can't get the picture to share.

support reduction in the loan interest rate for all students not just med students

Sorry - there are not enough desks for everyone to have their own personal desk space and when you a re in theatres, cinic, ED then the desk would be redundant a big percentage of that time - so desk sharing makes sense. Can not persoanlly say I ahve seen a resident ont heir hands and knees filing in the notes unless theyd ropped them - lot of places have gone digital

Exam fees - sorry why does the govt / tax payer have to reimburse you - thye are tax deductible

Totally get the locker situation but doctors are not unique in the nhs - there is a shortage of lockers for all staff and it is a disgrace

Guaranteed a relatively well paid job for life from the age of 17 - er no, nurses dont, physios dont no one does so whay are doctors so different. No competition, tick the boxes and you get it - that breeds arrogance and complacencysomehting some of residents ahve an abundance of at the moment when they speal of other AHPS and staff