To wonder if the Doctors strike will still go ahead next week?

@Milmington I am involved in admissions to medicine and have been for over a decade, working closely with admissions staff. So no, not a doctor, but I know what the Unis think is important. And so I agree with their choices, not some alleged consultants who seem to hate doctors 🤷‍♀️

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Oh yes, vocation pays the rent. Serve ??? Are they in servitude now too ?

Well, how are the parents of these so-called doctors not feeling utterly ashamed to see the faces of their children striking? I would be. Disgraceful tbh and if I were Streeting I would take their practising licences away for this. Being a doctor is NOT a job, it is a vocation. A good doctor would NEVER hold his patients to ransom like this. I think the types of resident doctors doing this show actually how unsuited they are to the role, lacking care and empathy for the people they are supposed to serve. There, I’ve said my bit!

But since neither of you are doctors, what do you think qualifies you to judge what is important and what isn't more than those with a medical career who are posting on this thread, with years of experience behind them?

Completely agree.

@PurpleFairyLights they insult because they have no argument. Same old routine. And I agree about the variability of doctors - some are able to understand what's important and others are not (whilst still training PAs etc over doctors).

Low quality posters on this thread. @Marchesman and @lookluv insulting my DC who has nothing to do with this thread.

I wish I could say it is the only new low but that came from @lookluv comment about ND.

I really hope they have made up that they work for the NHS as their posts are unpleasant and inappropriate. Very worrying.

Sorry no idea what you are asking.

Also you are wrong about him only having an MBBS.

No doubt he would be chuffed to be on the receiving end of your adoration, however as he had minimal experience of clinical medicine, and his sole postgraduate medical qualification was an MD, it would be more accurate to say "amazing public health doctor" (if that is how you feel). In my experience people who went into public health were not amazing doctors to have around if you were unwell.

@lookluv is, as usual, correct about the variability of doctors. Assertions about a minimum entrance requirement of AAA are either deliberate lies or illustrative of profound ignorance. A trawl of medical schools' entrance requirements and faculties, particularly recent ones, collated on https://www.medschools.ac.uk/for-students/applying-to-medical-school/entry-requirements/ is horrifying.

For example, the "faculty" of "The University of Chester Medical School" is ten people without a single medical degree documented between them, and "if you have a first degree in the arts, humanities or languages but would now like to study medicine, you are eligible to apply." A 2.1 is preferable but a 2.2 is OK if you have followed it up with a Masters, and don't worry about A levels, or GCSEs, because they aren't scored. And the UCAT shouldn't be a problem because that is adjusted annually to ensure that places are filled.

What do you think Purple? Worth a go?

Honestly that poster is an absolute hypocrite in so many ways. You did not mock Van Tam.

Did you see nasty, low life comment about my DC? Most people don't think like that let alone post comments like that on MN.

@lookluv who have I mocked ? I adore Van Tam, he is an amazing doctor, proving that grades alone do not matter.

This consultant seems to disagree about accommodation. V glad there are many many consultants out there who understand.

And ALL doctors are competent. The idea they are less qualified is frankly absurd. You can be clever and empathetic.

** it's quite sweet when they prove my point for me. One day soon we won't have any of the old school rude and patronising doctors left. Thankfully

No we will ahve rude entitled arrogant doctors who think if they strike they get what they want and do not see the bigger icture.

PPurole and Mums - you really have sunk to an all time low when you start mocking someones A level grades from an era when As were not sprayed aorund as much as they are now and we have so many contextual offers that are way below the AAA that you espouse. Contextual offers do not help when you simply can not make the grade because you do not have the academic ability to progress.

I would rather have a competent doctor with brains who can think outside the box and save my life than someone who makes the excuse their ND prevented them from reading the page that contained the information to save my lide.

I like most resident doctors and consultants I meet but ther is a ahrdcore who are rude enitiled and behave liek other people are dirt beneath their shoe.

WE have a 60 yr old Band 3 member of staff who runs our rotas and leave for every one. The abuse she receives when she says no,justifiably to someone who has booked their leave atthe last minute and then has a strop to be told no, too many colleagues away and got in first. She is also the person who will sit you down. make you a cup of tea and listen to your woes - when she tells me that this current generation are the rudest and most entitled I believe her.

Again more disinformation from mums and purple - accommodation was charged for on a rota system, 50% of training jobs went to UK grads despite the competition. F1s are important cogs in a system, which supports them, protects them and also challenges them to take the next steps - never before have these newbies been so well supported but challenged at appropriate times. As to crash calls - the crash team consisting of senior nurses support all crash calls and know how to run them. Bit difficult for whole team to arrive a t the same time but if trained each cog knows the first steps to take and work together.

AS to what I am - why should I say. Purple implies she is a doctor because she knows everything but not willing to actually support her wild theories without evidence of how she got that knowledge otehr than from a disgruntled child who considers a 6 month Trust job as not good enough despite being paid and trained for his career.

20 yrs on the NHS in various roles has given me insight

Accommodation was rarely free (I only worked one place that it was free, because it was so substandard that it would have been illegal to charge us), but it was cheap. And no commute. So the current generation of residents not getting it is a significant loss in financial terms.

In 2008 some v unhappy doctors losing their free accommodation.

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@mumsneedwine that poster can barely hide their dislike of resident doctors. My impression is they are in an administrative role in a hospital. Definitely not a doctor as the posts come across as an outsider looking in with so much rubbish being written.

My bingo card is at the ready for the rudeness and insults that will surely be coming my way as usual. Disagree, but try and do it with arguments not insults.

Streetings Strikes will continue until things are sorted. Why is anyone involved in admissions allowing an increase in Uni places when they know there are not enough jobs ? Oh and F1&2 are not guaranteed to be anything but placeholder jobs. Useless positions made up that provide little to no training. And you have NO say in where you will be offered that one job. Why ?

What is your point ( other than the usual being rude to me) ? Not sure what you are trying to say here ? Except to acknowledge how bad things still are ? And fees were not £9,250 a year until v recently and undergrad medicine was not only free in the 80s, they paid you to go to Uni (was a wonderful time).

Seems you don't like resident doctors, which is fine, unless you are another consultant ? I can never understand how a v small minority of supposedly senior staff do not understand why the strikes are happening. Sad but explains the mess the NHS is now in.

@Ilovemyshoes so ignorant. My own DD is v happily in run through training. It's not about her. It's about the students I support into medicine every year, who want to do good and have a job. And as a 60 year old it's about seeing a doctor, not some under qualified alphabet soup.

Sweeping, ignorant generalisation. I actively discouraged my DC becoming a doctor as very aware of the reality.

That was before RLMT was dropped which resulted in 2025 cohort of UKMGs having to compete with a further 20,803 IMGs for specialty training.

I wonder if the angry mothers are disappointed that the careers they were so proud to see their children pursuing have not turned out to be as glittering as they thought? I read a thread on medical school application once and had to chuckle at the breathless excitement, expectation meets reality. I don’t know any of my contemporaries who would have wanted their children to follow them into medicine. Lookluv is telling the actual truth here.

mums here we go again

Some Senior doctors do not seem to want to be bothered to train the new generation, employing PAs, ACPs,Nurse consultants instead of doctors. - not me a consultant who says that. They will train who ever truns up and takes an interest.Where is your proof.

They seem to forget who trained them ^ no it si common infact every meeting that aconsultant mentions someone who trained them. including nurses and praises them
(whilst they got free accommodation ^ only if youu worked a 1:3 or less did you get free accommodation but then you did spend more time in the hospital than away so seemed appropriate.

120 hrs per week versus current 40-44 hrs per week. There were also charges for accommodation and rent. shows what little you know yet again.

and no student loan - loans ahve been aornf for 30yrs and even in the 1980s a lot od med students paid fees as a seond degree, not entitled to free uk uni education.
and didn't have to move every 6 months) - you are in cloud cuckoo land - those senior doctors you berate moved every 6 months applied every 6 months for jobs there were few rotations and if you got a job for a year it was amazing. None of this cushy FY1 and FY2 jobs so guaranteed foundation 2 yrs. It was find yourself a 6 month med job and a 6 month surgery job and then eveyr 6 months find somehting else. You are talking tripe

Most resident doctors are £100,000+ in debt and will repay £250,000 during the 30 years the loan will run. - completely true but that is like saying people in the 1960s had lower tax rates thna now they were privileged. Life changes and We do agree the interest rate is ridiculous

They pay their insurance indemnity, - no most of them do not and rely on crown indemnity, it is those bloody awful consultants who advise them to protect themselves more
GMC fees (for what no one knows),

and extortionate exam and royal college fees - yep has been going on for years and this generation is no worse offthan previous ones. so what is oyur point

Once again an ill informed post and rudeness for any one who does not agree with your mis information

@Araminta1003 v true. Modern doctors are so fed up with being treated like rubbish (the be kind in the MDT never seems to include doctors). They are paying exorbitant amounts in student loan (why is interest 7% ??).

They are highly educated humans who know their worth. And they are pretty angry about being called Juvenile Delinquent Moaning Minnies.