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Sky News segment on visa overstayers tonight

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icannotbelievethis · 11/12/2025 22:29

One woman who came here on a 3 month visitor visa 12 years ago, who is a “full time carer” for her sister.

One man who came here on a student visa which was then cancelled because he stopped attending his lectures, who has been here illegally for two years and works cash in hand. Therefore not paying tax or national insurance.

Wtf?! Why did Sky News interview them (and no doubt pay them!) and not turn up with the border force to get them sent home?! This is baffling

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Jumpers4goalposts · 17/12/2025 08:03

DuncesAreThere · 17/12/2025 07:48

I've had the misfortune of going to Birmingham. I hated it there. Think it's the worst city for crime in the UK as well.

I supported remain. But those who voted for Brexit are allowed to have these views as well.

I was just recently in Hungary and I absolutely loved it there. There is still immigration, but they do heavily limit it and don't let it get out of control.

It also has the highest % of children living below the poverty line and one of the density populations of people and you don’t think these are significant factors in crime rates? Probably easier to blame immigration.

I’m honestly not suprised you loved Hungary, your kind of people.

DuncesAreThere · 17/12/2025 07:48

Jumpers4goalposts · 17/12/2025 06:29

Birmingham is a beautiful multicultural city, I used to live and work there. That multiculturalism is part of being English. England is multicultural, the whole bloomin history of this country is around immigration.

Secondly immigration is not a EU thing, let me guess you voted Brexit and now you’re unhappy about the Brexit boats.

I’d be interested to know exactly where you spent time in central or Eastern Europe where there wasn’t immigration.

I've had the misfortune of going to Birmingham. I hated it there. Think it's the worst city for crime in the UK as well.

I supported remain. But those who voted for Brexit are allowed to have these views as well.

I was just recently in Hungary and I absolutely loved it there. There is still immigration, but they do heavily limit it and don't let it get out of control.

Jumpers4goalposts · 17/12/2025 07:33

DuncesAreThere · 17/12/2025 07:17

The wages are low because that's how the market is. Nothing to do with billionaires. In the private sector it's how it is. Wage is tied to the monetary value of their output, if it's low it's low. It's unfortunate but that's what it is. Maybe prices have been rising due to rampant inflation but wage haven't risen. But I don't just blame billionaires for that.

I don't care about how big it is, yes it's big. So what? It's theirs? Lots of their assets are intangible anyway and are in shares of companies they've built.

Markets don’t operate in a vacuum, and wages aren’t set by productivity alone, they’re also shaped by who has bargaining power and how the rules are written. It reflects structural changes like weakened labour, bargaining, employer concentration, outsourcing, and importantly policy choices that put capital over labour. And how influences policy choices? All while influencing the media output and the therefore narrative. Who’s to blame for a decrease in living standards for thousands them or those pesky immigrants or have very little impact on anyone personally? This narrative being pushed also allows nasty little racists to believe that it is acceptable to be racist, however it’s not and it never is and shows more than we need to know about an individuals character and morals.

DuncesAreThere · 17/12/2025 07:17

Jumpers4goalposts · 17/12/2025 06:21

It’s not about being lower paid it’s about receiving a decent pay. You can have highly skilled jobs receiving higher pay and lesser skilled jobs receiving lower paid but those lower paid job should morally be paid enough to pay for somewhere to live, to eat and to heat without tax subsidies. Instead what is happening is those wages are kept low and the people at the top are pocketing any extra profit to the tune of money that they are unable to actually spend. If money was time the a million minutes takes you to 2023 a billion minutes takes you back to the Roman Empire.

The wages are low because that's how the market is. Nothing to do with billionaires. In the private sector it's how it is. Wage is tied to the monetary value of their output, if it's low it's low. It's unfortunate but that's what it is. Maybe prices have been rising due to rampant inflation but wage haven't risen. But I don't just blame billionaires for that.

I don't care about how big it is, yes it's big. So what? It's theirs? Lots of their assets are intangible anyway and are in shares of companies they've built.

Jumpers4goalposts · 17/12/2025 06:29

DuncesAreThere · 17/12/2025 00:05

Because take a trip to Bradford, Whitechapel, alum rock Birmingham and see the damage rampant multiculturalism has done. Some places don't feel English anymore.

I got to spend some time in central and eastern Europe this summer. They've resisted pressure from the EU to accept mass migration and it's so nice there. It was like a breath of fresh air.

Birmingham is a beautiful multicultural city, I used to live and work there. That multiculturalism is part of being English. England is multicultural, the whole bloomin history of this country is around immigration.

Secondly immigration is not a EU thing, let me guess you voted Brexit and now you’re unhappy about the Brexit boats.

I’d be interested to know exactly where you spent time in central or Eastern Europe where there wasn’t immigration.

Jumpers4goalposts · 17/12/2025 06:21

DuncesAreThere · 16/12/2025 22:41

The lower skilled jobs always get paid less. It reflects a lack of skill. Nothing about exploitation, they get paid relative to their skills. Nothing about billionaires. Cleaners, drivers, and retail workers get paid low just because it's how it is. In retail the profit margins are notoriously tiny anyway. Many billionaires create highly paid skilled jobs.

The tax gap is mostly from small businesses as I learnt. It's the truth. It's what the data says.

It’s not about being lower paid it’s about receiving a decent pay. You can have highly skilled jobs receiving higher pay and lesser skilled jobs receiving lower paid but those lower paid job should morally be paid enough to pay for somewhere to live, to eat and to heat without tax subsidies. Instead what is happening is those wages are kept low and the people at the top are pocketing any extra profit to the tune of money that they are unable to actually spend. If money was time the a million minutes takes you to 2023 a billion minutes takes you back to the Roman Empire.

Winter2020 · 17/12/2025 02:51

Next to no-one is removed from the UK

This is from the government.uk website:
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"A total of 5,563 people who arrived on a small boat between 2018 and the year ending March 2025 were returned from the UK, representing 4% of the total number of small boat arrivals over the same period."
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-march-2025/how-many-people-are-returned-from-the-uk

People that were returned were mostly Albanians I believe because we have a deal to return them. I think Albanians have for the most part stopped coming because they can be returned.

Once you accept that we don't remove people (a few agree to go if they are paid £££ but could well come back) then you realise the only way to tackle the number of asylum seekers is to prevent them coming. That would mean stopping visas for people from countries that tend to claim asylum/can't be returned and removing people to third countries (when they know this will happen people won't come in the first place).

The vast amount of money spent on "processing" people is a complete waste of time as even people whose claim is declined are not removed.

How many people are returned from the UK?

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-march-2025/how-many-people-are-returned-from-the-uk

DuncesAreThere · 17/12/2025 00:05

Jumpers4goalposts · 16/12/2025 20:59

Why do you blame people from other cultures?

Because take a trip to Bradford, Whitechapel, alum rock Birmingham and see the damage rampant multiculturalism has done. Some places don't feel English anymore.

I got to spend some time in central and eastern Europe this summer. They've resisted pressure from the EU to accept mass migration and it's so nice there. It was like a breath of fresh air.

DuncesAreThere · 16/12/2025 22:41

Jumpers4goalposts · 16/12/2025 20:58

@DuncesAreThere if a billionaire forms some company it does not mean everyone in the supply chain is doing great. Warehouse staff, cleaners, drivers, retail workers — all famously rolling in it. Universal credit child benefits etc wouldn’t be a factor if they were.

No one’s saying phones and software have no value. The point is just that “we made cool tech” doesn’t equal “we paid everyone enough to live.” Profits went up. Wages for a lot of people don’t.

Sure some small businesses do plenty of illegal tax evasion. But when billion-dollar firms legally pay less tax than a café, we’re supposed to clap because it’s “efficient”?

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The lower skilled jobs always get paid less. It reflects a lack of skill. Nothing about exploitation, they get paid relative to their skills. Nothing about billionaires. Cleaners, drivers, and retail workers get paid low just because it's how it is. In retail the profit margins are notoriously tiny anyway. Many billionaires create highly paid skilled jobs.

The tax gap is mostly from small businesses as I learnt. It's the truth. It's what the data says.

Jumpers4goalposts · 16/12/2025 20:59

DuncesAreThere · 16/12/2025 20:53

Why do you blame the evil billionaires? Are all the software engineers at Google oppressed?

Why do you blame people from other cultures?

Jumpers4goalposts · 16/12/2025 20:58

@DuncesAreThere if a billionaire forms some company it does not mean everyone in the supply chain is doing great. Warehouse staff, cleaners, drivers, retail workers — all famously rolling in it. Universal credit child benefits etc wouldn’t be a factor if they were.

No one’s saying phones and software have no value. The point is just that “we made cool tech” doesn’t equal “we paid everyone enough to live.” Profits went up. Wages for a lot of people don’t.

Sure some small businesses do plenty of illegal tax evasion. But when billion-dollar firms legally pay less tax than a café, we’re supposed to clap because it’s “efficient”?

DuncesAreThere · 16/12/2025 20:53

Jumpers4goalposts · 16/12/2025 20:50

You want me to list everyone not getting a living wage? What planet are you on?

Why do you blame the evil billionaires? Are all the software engineers at Google oppressed?

DuncesAreThere · 16/12/2025 20:51

Jumpers4goalposts · 16/12/2025 20:50

You want me to list everyone not getting a living wage? What planet are you on?

Can only think about social care workers tbf. Are they also paid by the billionaires?

Jumpers4goalposts · 16/12/2025 20:50

DuncesAreThere · 16/12/2025 20:24

Who is not getting paid a living wage? As far as I know many billionaires create valuable companies that employ lots of people in highly skilled jobs. Maybe one of the reasons we can use the devices we are on to communicate with each other. What are they overcharging on? I don't know.

You do realise illegal tax evasion dwarfs legal tax avoidance? And this is mostly done by small businesses.

You want me to list everyone not getting a living wage? What planet are you on?

DuncesAreThere · 16/12/2025 20:24

Jumpers4goalposts · 16/12/2025 17:11

Oh, you know — by not paying a real living wage, by casually overcharging for everything, by treating the environment as an inconvenience and cutting costs by abusing it, by outsourcing work to shave a few pennies off costs without bothering to think about what that does to workers. By avoiding tax, hiding wealth in trusts (perfectly legal, apparently), and then using that wealth to influence policy so their assets stay nice and protected. And of course, by nudging the media to tell us the real problem is immigration, definitely not their ballooning wealth. But yes… please, tell me again how this is all fine

Who is not getting paid a living wage? As far as I know many billionaires create valuable companies that employ lots of people in highly skilled jobs. Maybe one of the reasons we can use the devices we are on to communicate with each other. What are they overcharging on? I don't know.

You do realise illegal tax evasion dwarfs legal tax avoidance? And this is mostly done by small businesses.

Jumpers4goalposts · 16/12/2025 17:11

DuncesAreThere · 16/12/2025 14:30

Lol. How? By paying people to do a job?

Oh, you know — by not paying a real living wage, by casually overcharging for everything, by treating the environment as an inconvenience and cutting costs by abusing it, by outsourcing work to shave a few pennies off costs without bothering to think about what that does to workers. By avoiding tax, hiding wealth in trusts (perfectly legal, apparently), and then using that wealth to influence policy so their assets stay nice and protected. And of course, by nudging the media to tell us the real problem is immigration, definitely not their ballooning wealth. But yes… please, tell me again how this is all fine

Jumpers4goalposts · 16/12/2025 17:03

DuncesAreThere · 16/12/2025 14:30

What did I miss?

Information about your background and what turned you into a racist?

Jumpers4goalposts · 16/12/2025 17:02

worstofbothworlds · 16/12/2025 14:55

And likewise I've seen what lots of native British men have done to girls.
This is a characteristic of males, not a necessary part of any one culture. Unless it's a part of British culture too.

100%

DuncesAreThere · 16/12/2025 15:40

worstofbothworlds · 16/12/2025 14:55

And likewise I've seen what lots of native British men have done to girls.
This is a characteristic of males, not a necessary part of any one culture. Unless it's a part of British culture too.

No need to import more men from far worse places.

I'd rather be a woman in the UK versus Afghanistan.

worstofbothworlds · 16/12/2025 14:55

DuncesAreThere · 16/12/2025 14:29

We saw what those 2 Afghan refugees did to that poor girl.

And likewise I've seen what lots of native British men have done to girls.
This is a characteristic of males, not a necessary part of any one culture. Unless it's a part of British culture too.

DuncesAreThere · 16/12/2025 14:30

Jumpers4goalposts · 16/12/2025 14:25

@DuncesAreThere funny how you answered that but failed to answer my previous questions.

What did I miss?

DuncesAreThere · 16/12/2025 14:30

Jumpers4goalposts · 16/12/2025 14:24

Not if they are exploiting people to get it.

Lol. How? By paying people to do a job?

DuncesAreThere · 16/12/2025 14:29

worstofbothworlds · 16/12/2025 13:36

Do you not think that a lot of the Afghans who come to the UK a) want to enjoy things like freedom of speech, religion, freedom for women, and entrepreneurship and b) are not the ones who benefit from and love Afghan repressive regimes.
A government or political party (like the Taliban or Reform) is not a culture (like the rich women's dress, music, and education of pre-Taliban Afghanistan, or the acceptance of the best of other cultures including again dress, music, and food in Britain).

We saw what those 2 Afghan refugees did to that poor girl.

Jumpers4goalposts · 16/12/2025 14:25

@DuncesAreThere funny how you answered that but failed to answer my previous questions.

Jumpers4goalposts · 16/12/2025 14:24

DuncesAreThere · 16/12/2025 14:23

If there are people below the poverty line (there always will be) is no-one else allowed to have success and wealth?

Not if they are exploiting people to get it.

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