Newborn circumcision

What is the likelihood that he would need to be circumcised for a medical reason later in life? That doesn't sound like a good enough reason.

And doing it now specifically because he's too young to "know what is happening" is definitely not a good enough reason.

It isn't mandatory for male muslims to be circumcised, though his family will no doubt tell you otherwise. Don't let them bully you into to this. Your son may bitterly regret this later and wonder why you didn't protect him.

Vile

He also knew what he was marrying into when he married you, so why does his beliefs trump yours?....I think circumcision is cruel and unnecessary for whatever reason, and i would never agree to hurt a baby in that way. Please stand your ground

@handbagsandholidays “I am muslim and pro-circumcision. Both my sons have been circumcised, however I would be upset by the total disregard of my views and beliefs if I didn’t agree with my child being circumcised“
You'd be upset at your views and beliefs being disregarded but you’ve been ok to disregard your children’s.

It is awkward that you changed your mind, but you're not wrong and I could never let anyone do it to my sons. Also, babies absolutely feel pain so I wouldn't accept the "it hurts less when they're younger" cause that's rubbish

It's not less traumatic for newborns - they just tend to shut down in response to extreme pain.

We used to literally perform surgeries on newborns with no anaesthetic because of the belief that they feel less pain/aren't traumatised. SPOILER: it is traumatic even if they can't express that.

Oh don't be so ridiculous!

That must've been the window cleaners 5th cousin 6 times removed who cleaned the windows for some ones granny's aunts dogs pals neighbour 🙄🙄

Yes hurry up and mutilate your child op! Ffs 🙄🙄🙄

My CoE DM said she’d leave my Muslim DF if he pushed the point with my DB and he dropped it. YANBU.

Just get it done and over with and he'll have zero memory of it anyway. Better that than him needing it done for a medical reason when he's older and knowing exactly what's happening!

You’re absolutely entitled to your opinion. As am I. I wouldn’t have my boys circumcised but if I was married to someone whose religion specified it as a requirement and I agreed to it, I wouldn’t go back on that agreement.

My son had to be circumcised aged seven for medical reasons. Poor boy was in so much pain; I would never willingly put any boy through that for anything other than medical necessity. Your baby son does not need it, please protect him.

Absolutely not!

There was a baby boy local to me who died from circumcision several years ago now. Why anyone would risk their child’s life for a non essential medical procedure is beyond me!

Christening doesn't involve an invasive physical procedure. This one is also irreversible, which is much, much more serious.

Everyone should be able to change their mind about things like this once it moves from the theoretical to the reality.

Not in the slightest bit suitable analogies. Similar would be whether you have a baby Christened or not. And no, if he had made a commitment to it, I don’t think he should back out of that either.

I'd be worried that if he's left alone with them, they'll take him and get it done.

Circumcision is not obligatory under Islamic rulings, rather, it is 'preferred'. Your son does not need to be circumcised and if you don't want it, then put your foot down. If they do not like the name then tough luck. He is your son. They had the chance to name their own. I say this as a mother of 2 circumcised boys. I did it through my own choice. Muslims are fixated on certain aspects of the religion as being non negotiable. Tell your husband there Is no compulsion in religion

You are right to refuse allowing someone to mutilate your son’s genitals. Circumcision should be illegal, it’s abuse. Well done mama for protecting your baby.

It's less traumatic for the parents. Which is obviously the most important thing /s.

I've never really been sold on the concept of "I did this very painful thing to you when you were a baby, but you don't remember so it's OK that I removed your right to choose along with your foreskin."

What else should we not back out of when faced with reality? Marriage? Sex?

How can you be pro circumcision? I dont understand

Is it really less traumatic though? Or are newborn babies just less able to show that they are traumatised and therefore it's preferable to do it at that point?

If you’re C of E, then 2 Corinthians 6:14 would have helped you. Unfortunately, I think if you’ve made a commitment to have him circumcised, YABU for going back on that.

I understand why they are suggesting it being done earlier than later as the younger they are the less traumatic and the easier the recovery

The very idea that they know that something will be traumatic and require recovery and so seek to 'mitigate' it - when it's something that almost never needs to be done in the first place - but still go determindely ahead with it.

Suppose somebody said that they were very eager to forcibly shove a member of their family down the stairs - maybe to symbolise their conviction of the need for humility and being grounded in life, as a traditional ceremony - and were seeking advice as to whether they should choose their baby, their great grandma, their brother, parent or somebody else to do it to (none of whom know about or have ever consented to it), in order to minimise the risk of concussion and broken bones; would anybody be seriously thinking about how to answer their specific question, or would every single person be incredulous and tell them not to do it to anybody at all in the first place? People would quite possibly say that, if you're so desperate to do it, perhaps you as an adult could arrange for somebody to push you.

I'm not a doctor, but I'm not personally convinced by the suggestion that very young babies don't feel as much pain or trauma when being subjected to it - how can we possibly know this, when they conveniently don't have much capacity yet to properly communicate it to us and we don't have a crystal ball?