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Long term issues when someone with MH issues doesn’t get help and is sheltered at home.

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Namechange12345432 · 11/12/2025 14:17

Apologies to sound harsh and uncaring, but if anything I am significantly understating the severity of the situation and at this point my primary concern has to be protecting DC.

We have this situation with SIL. Diagnosed MH issues, but has never got help or left home. She does work in a limited way (via a Gov route - not UK - that makes it practically impossible to curtail, despite conflict), but struggles with most people and is also extremely difficult to be around. If she doesn’t like a situation (not necessarily a predictable reason why) she will manipulate it at any cost. Rages out of nowhere. DC are terrified. I have drawn a boundary to protect DC. DH is pathetic and has not been able to find and hold reasonable boundaries, that would actually enable us to provide support. I would divorce him but don’t want shared custody with the potential for unsupervised exposure to the aunt a big factor (I have a lot of sympathy, but the rages and manipulation can only be described as terrifying - apologies to sound so harsh, but it is the reality).

PIL seem trapped by it. SIL basically controls any access to GC, so PIL don’t really have a relationship despite living nearby - we absolutely do not want childcare help, as DC could not be exposed to this). SIL also blocked home help from the house when PIL needed it. I did intervene/get DH to intervene at this point.

What were PiL thinking about the future. How could this ever end well? They are now reaching the end. There isn’t really a plan for what will happen. A decade or so ago I thought they were kind and protective. Now they are reaching the end it is clear the situation is dire. I worry they may just expect her to move in with us, but it would be decimation of family life and a legitimate concern (based on things that have happened) would be danger to DC.

It horrifies me to think this is not an isolated case. I guess provision of care is majorly lacking for people with significant MH issues who do have some independence. In this case when the family protects (shields) them and do not encourage independence it is at a huge detriment to the future of the person kept at home. Maybe this level of shielding is because of decisions made decades ago when concerns/stigma was different. Siblings and their partners will often have to step in when they have children at home.

YANBU. Independence has to be encouraged and plans made for a secure future. People cannot be shielded until parents reach the end, as the situation is likely to get worse.

YABU. PIL did the right thing.

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Lemonysnickety · 15/12/2025 12:24

In my opinion and from some experience of toxic families, your bigger issue is your DH. He is controlling the level of involvement his family gets to you, the access they get to your children. All you can do in these situations is manage yourself and protect your children whatever the best way that looks.

Just my opinion, you have much better clarity on all of the dynamics but leaving your DH is probably for the best.

You can have far more control of the situation if he only has the typical interactions divorced Dads get with their children particularly in Germany which comes across, at least, as a very traditional country.

EuclidianGeometryFan · 15/12/2025 12:13

How old are your DC?
You have to do a calculation:
How many more years until you are happy that DC will be able to look after themselves in this situation - perhaps their mid-teens?
vs
How many more years until one or both parents die and the crisis hits?

It may be that your DC age-out of the danger, and get to an age when they have the final say in how much they see their father and aunt, in which case you sit tight, carry on as you are, and keep your fingers crossed. As soon as the DC are safe you can think about divorce.

If the parents are likely to die sooner, your situation is much harder with no easy answers. When the DC get to about 9 or 10 years old they should be able to keep themselves physically safe (re. food, stairs, hazards, etc), but the emotional damage may not be preventable. It may be you have to divorce and have a court order about no contact with the aunt.

Octavia64 · 15/12/2025 12:12

I am not familiar with the social care landscape in Germany.

however I can tell you that trying to get help for a mentally ill older teen/young adult is a fucking nightmare in the U.K. and trying to make the said older teen/young adult actually go to the help and do the therapy etc is a massive physical and mental strain.

going back to your situation, clearly protecting your children is the highest priority. Realistically the situation is likely to fall apart long, long before both PIL have died and there is any prospect of SIL living with you.

PIL will become frail and ill at some point. They will no longer be able to meet sils needs. There will be a crisis and the equivalent of social care will get involved. SIL presumably has no assets and relatively low income but is entitled to state benefits?

in which case I would imagine that once the first PIL gets ill - cancer or dementia or whatever - and her rules are no longer stuck to there will be a crisis, police may be called, someone will possibly be injured if she gets violent and state intervention will happen.

i think that chance of her making it through the illness and death of both pils without being forced into interacting with state support is low to nil.

so I’d stop worrying about her moving in with you because it isn’t going to happen.

in general you have more control over the situation if you stay married so this is the route I would choose (and did choose). How old are your kids?

Christmascaketime · 15/12/2025 11:59

You can’t control her but you can control your actions. I wouldn’t go to their house or allow dc there.
I wouldn’t invite her to your house.
I’d be clear to DH and pil she won’t be living with you in the future.
It’s their choice not to have engaged with services.

Namechange12345432 · 15/12/2025 11:56

Fluffyholeysocks · 15/12/2025 09:47

Could you sit down with PIL's and DH and ask what their thoughts are for SILs future?
Don't give your thoughts until last, if they have vague notions her moving in with you, you could give your opinion that SIL would never move in with you due to concerns about child safety. As a compromise you could suggest DH moves in with SIL - and see how that goes down with him! Everyone is kicking the can down the road, nobody wants to make a decision. I don't doubt for a moment PIL's will want you to house her - don't drift into that situation. You"ve got to make it clear it won't be happening.

Unfortunately no chance now. A decade ago this is what should have happened.

Now there is a level of dementia or similar (unsurprisingly age and health wise), combined with possibly fear, and PIL will completely go along with SIL. Worse still they have joined in the raging on occasion. The situation just is not approachable. I guess when there is a crisis and others are involved I will flag it to social services. DH is not reliable.

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Namechange12345432 · 15/12/2025 11:52

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 15/12/2025 11:08

They will likely leave her their house as "she needs it" ... or your husband will just let her stay there

Hopefully, but I don’t know how she would manage or react to help. However, there is a big push for us to be involved. But with the behavior around DC it is really not a risk I am willing to take/something they should be put through.

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Namechange12345432 · 15/12/2025 11:51

Thanks @Tretweet It is a complete nightmare. I am sure for PIL and SIL too, it ultimately children need protection. I am taking some advice and making sure incidents have been documented to move towards protection for DC.

Legally full custody should go to me, but and it is a huge but - any visitation or partial shared custody would keep me trapped abroad with a very emotionally abusive husband/ex. At best it would be a drawn out process with DH, who is frighteningly controlling.

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ByQuaintAzureWasp · 15/12/2025 11:08

They will likely leave her their house as "she needs it" ... or your husband will just let her stay there

Tretweet · 15/12/2025 09:58

If you want to leave DH is there anyway you could get legal advice to see if this is possible with some kind of legal protection that he could have access but kids can’t have contact with the Aunt? Also how old are kids. This is a nightmare situation OP I really feel for you.

Fluffyholeysocks · 15/12/2025 09:47

Could you sit down with PIL's and DH and ask what their thoughts are for SILs future?
Don't give your thoughts until last, if they have vague notions her moving in with you, you could give your opinion that SIL would never move in with you due to concerns about child safety. As a compromise you could suggest DH moves in with SIL - and see how that goes down with him! Everyone is kicking the can down the road, nobody wants to make a decision. I don't doubt for a moment PIL's will want you to house her - don't drift into that situation. You"ve got to make it clear it won't be happening.

PinkyFlamingo · 15/12/2025 09:22

Namechange12345432 · 15/12/2025 07:49

@stichguru DH can be very toxic and I would like to leave him, but do not want to risk shared custody. He is either sulking or in Disney dad mode. One of the factors is he will go through periods where he completely denies any issues with his sister to the point he allows her to emotionally abuse DC. I do not want this to go on unchecked.

SIL has dropped heavy hints about living with us and treats our house as hers when she visits with PIL. DH does nothing to stop her interfering/binning anything she disapproves of/etc., when she visits. PIL and DH just sit there. If I ask her to please stop she explodes and then am the bad guy for upsetting her.

This has to stop. You have admitted your letting your DH emotionally abused your kids! Wtaf! There's obviously much more going on with her OCD by itself doesn't necessarily make her manipulative, abusive etc she is too used to ruling thevriist and controlling others

Dutchhouse14 · 15/12/2025 08:49

Just read your update, I think separating from DH maybe for the best, but do undersyand your concerns re custody Im so sorry.
Your DC and your own peace of mind has to come first.
I do think SIL needs an urgent referral /reassessment.
It maybe possible to restrict her access to DCs if you were to separate by court order?? Not sure youd need legal advice.

Dutchhouse14 · 15/12/2025 08:43

You cant fix this.
SIL is ill and needs professional help and support.
I would be pushing ILs and DH to get a social services assessment and pyschiatric (sp) assessment.
Its good services are better in Germany than here so hopefully they can get help for her.
Its a very difficult and heartbreaking situation for your PILs.
My dad had serious mental illness and I used to live in fear of suffering myself and now I fear for my DCs, its not easy.
I know its hard but remember it is an illness not malicious but you are right to protect your DCs from it.
I expect your PILs are worn down and broken by it.

Namechange12345432 · 15/12/2025 07:49

@stichguru DH can be very toxic and I would like to leave him, but do not want to risk shared custody. He is either sulking or in Disney dad mode. One of the factors is he will go through periods where he completely denies any issues with his sister to the point he allows her to emotionally abuse DC. I do not want this to go on unchecked.

SIL has dropped heavy hints about living with us and treats our house as hers when she visits with PIL. DH does nothing to stop her interfering/binning anything she disapproves of/etc., when she visits. PIL and DH just sit there. If I ask her to please stop she explodes and then am the bad guy for upsetting her.

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Glamba · 13/12/2025 13:03

I think you might be overestimating what help could have been available - she is an adult and the circumstances in which she can be forced to be "treated" are limited. And try not to heap all of the blame on PIL. All of us are limited by what we can handle and in difficult circumstances people are reduced to just getting through to the next day. It takes resources beyond what some families have to deal with the "big picture" stuff, an it gets harder over time. It's hard enough with children but for adults the options are even more limited. Plus, more generally there is no point regretting or casting blame for the past. The only things that can change are from today onwards so concentrate on that.

I hope you do manage to find some more support for her and for the family.

Namechange12345432 · 13/12/2025 12:53

@BillieWiper She is extremely difficult, particularly with non-immediate family. I wish PIL had sought support several decades ago. Now DH is the only one who could guide her towards therapy. He won’t address the issue at all and denies there is a problem when pushed. He can be toxic, but I suspect he grew up where the issues were shielded. Despite it being very, very obvious (not my opinion, but for example the state of the house - extremely clean, but massive restrictions on areas to the point they are taped off).

If we visit she is always with PIL, generally offering a running commentary on DC and my ‘failures’ as a parent (not encouraging DC to eat a food they have a diagnosed intolerance to, etc., etc.). GC are on their best behavior and not left to roam around because of hazards in the house. If PIL visits us she always joins. It is like they are traveling with a young teenager, but who they daren’t contradict. It has really limited the relationship DC have with this set of grandparents.

The above sounds awful. I do care, but cannot begin to get across how bad and damaging the situation is. It isn’t so much I am unwilling to offer direct support. She has demonstrated through her actions again and again she poses a threat to DC with emotional abuse and doing things that put them in danger. It is this that has made a boundary necessary.

I will try to give it less thought. Getting it out anonymously helps plus I will somehow follow the advice to seek intervention from social services. Just working out when it is appropriate.

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Namechange12345432 · 13/12/2025 11:42

EnjoyingTheArmoire · 12/12/2025 14:45

People are offering very good advice based on the UK - are you able to confirm which country you live in?

Thanks. Germany. Similar, but much more bureaucratic. Many more help options available here. None of them used.

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BillieWiper · 12/12/2025 14:58

You cannot see how she could manage alone but you definitely don't want any part in her care or letting her live with you. That is fair enough, she's an adult and is not your responsibility.

She does not have a learning or development disorder preventing her from doing normal day to day things. She may be too depressed or mentally unwell to do them though. But that's on her.

If she refuses help then she won't have any help. Sadly. Unless it gets to life threatening then she may be sectioned.

You need to just bring your kids to see their GPs when she's not there, or they come to you.

Just don't think about her and her possible issues once her parents pass away. As you say you are unwilling to offer any direct support in any case.

EnjoyingTheArmoire · 12/12/2025 14:45

People are offering very good advice based on the UK - are you able to confirm which country you live in?

Soontobe60 · 12/12/2025 14:44

Just don’t go round there!
If the stair gate is removed or food your Dc can’t eat just keep your eye on them - that’s what parents have to do.
Why would she move in with you at any time? The woman has a mental illness, that doesn’t mean you have to pander to them.

stichguru · 12/12/2025 14:33

What does DH think?
I totally see why you don't want your DCs mixed up with this woman, but you seem to be presuming that DH has or will have no choice but to care for SIL. It seems slightly strange that you are thinking about leaving your husband to protect you kids unless he has said he will move his sister in with you all. Even though he's her brother, he has no obligation to care for her.

momtoboys · 12/12/2025 14:15

My DB and SIL are in a similar situation. My SIL brother is a schizophrenic in his late 60s. He always lived with his parents but they have both died and he had to move in with my DB and SIL. Has never been able to work. Is tolerable when he is on his meds but frequently doesn't take them. My niece, my brothers only child, is the only family member left if my brother and his wife die. My niece has said that the day after their funerals she will be sending her uncle to live in a home/institution equipped to take care of him. She refuses to have her life overtaken by this because of poor planning for his care in the past.

BlueandWhitePorcelain · 12/12/2025 13:52

I meant care assessment for SIL.

BlueandWhitePorcelain · 12/12/2025 11:34

Namechange12345432 · 12/12/2025 08:30

@BlueandWhitePorcelain So sorry about the situation your DD has.

SIL has OCD diagnosed. There has never been any therapy. State and private options were available. They live in a bubble with more and more rules/isolation.

I cannot see how SIL will manage alone. I am very concerned there is no planning and an assumption DH will take over, with her moving in with us. even short visits are extremely difficult. Upsets and rages range from me driving my own car (apparently she thought DH should be the only one to drive it - no reason why, he actually has points and I don’t), what is grown in the garden to things we can change such as the contents of the fridge. Obviously we try and accommodate as much as possible. Not wearing jewelry (am not flash at all), giving the house a deep clean, etc. But some of it is completely unpredictable. Plus DC are sometimes the target and that is where my boundary is.

It’s called magical thinking.

The general advice is to not let the rules get more extreme. For instance, DD used to ask me, if I had cut the raw chicken and salad vegetables on the same chopping board? I was told to say to her:

”I am only going to say this once, and I am not saying it again. I chop the raw chicken, then I wash my hands, and do the salad on a different chopping board with a different knife. I don’t want salmonella any more than you do!”

PILs may not know what to do? I only knew, because DD1 was under Social Services for physical health reasons. (There are two aspects to Social Services - child protection, and the disabled). DH needs to discuss with PILs if they can discuss with SIL, if she would be willing to ask Adult Social Services for an assessment of need for herself.

PILs are legally fully entitled to say, they are not prepared to do any care of SIL any longer. There’s nothing Social Services likes more, than to put down the family will provide all care, which lets them off the hook. However, if the family refuse, or say they are only going to do x,y,z moving forwards, then Social Services has to assess her fully for social care.

As part of the assessment of need, SIL would have to undergo a financial assessment? If she were living in her own house, and needed carers to go into her house, she’s not entitled to that, if she has over £23,250 in assets, not including the house. There’s a sliding scale down to about £14,000 - if she has less assets than that, Social Services has to pay for all the social care. If as is likely, she’s not working and has no income/assets other than her benefits, then Social Services has to pay all the costs of her social care. She could ask as part of that, to be put on the housing list.

Then, regardless of what she does, PILs can ask Adult Social Services for a carers’ assessment on them. They are entitled to respite, and there should be a contingency plan for SIL, in case an emergency happens to them.

It is better for you and DH to get PILs to think about this now, rather than on the day of the death of the second parent. You would also be entitled on that day, to tell Adult Social Services, you are not going to do any caring of SIL, and she can’t live with you, so it’s up to them. Be firm. Social Services will do their best to blackmail you emotionally to look after her. No adult in England is legally obliged to care for another adult - the responsibility lies with Social Services.

Namechange12345432 · 12/12/2025 11:03

I should add it is rages, plus malicious meddling that would be marriage ending if believed. Where it crossed a line for me is when DC were spoken to inappropriately and in a way that caused huge distress, with no factual basis. Hence very low contact. I would like to leave DH and have no contact, but the prospect of any level of shared custody is concerning.

I understand it must have been very difficult for PIL, but also it feels like they really dodged the issues and have left it to the siblings (or more the siblings partners who she turns on) to face insurmountable challenges.

I also understand how difficult it must be for SIL. But the red lines that were crossed means all my efforts are in protecting DC.

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