Does Anyone know what a birthing person is ?

Of course I did. If we’re talking about biological genders, and usually those are related to the “there’s only XX and XY argument”, the link shows the other variations. These people will be intersex.

I am not female, and also I haven’t birthed a baby 😅

Have you actually looked at that website you linked?????

It's not even pretending to claim that having a chromosomal variation has anything to do with being a different sex from being either male or female. It's not even claiming a link between these variations and gender identities.

Why did you bring people with DSDs up in this thread if you didn't want to use them as a gotcha in this thread and you know they don't want to be brought up in the trans debate.

Believing you have a different gender has nothing to do with chromosomal disorders or disorders of sexual development.

You are female. You have birthed a baby. You don't follow male or female stereotypes (neither to I). This doesn't make you different from any other woman other than in personality.

Are we still pretending that every woman who's so achingly different that she ceases to be a woman or a man who gets his kicks from pretending he's Shakira suffer from disorders of sexual development?
I thought that got laughed out of town in 2023.

All that has nothing to do with the fact that mammals are all either male or female, that state is immutable, and intersex/people with DSD are also either male or female. Not both, not neither, not a third sex.

Trans ≠ intersex, that’s correct. One is a gender identity and the other is a biological sex. No surprise they don’t want to be in the trans debate. That would be like including bisexual people.

Scientifically, there are far more than two options when it comes to chromosomes. Here is a table that summarises it thefocusfoundation.org/x-y-chromosomal-variations/

You are (presumably) an adult human female and therefore a woman.
You can call yourself whatever you want but those are the facts

Agree.

So what makes you NOT fit in to either the male or female box then?

I'd be very interested to hear an answer to this that doesn't involve gendered stereotypes.

I can't believe that we've gone back to putting people into boxes in this way.

It is fine to be gender non - conforming, Always has been

Even people with DSDs are all either male or female.

They also, as a community, have asked not to be co-opted into the trans debate.

Scientifically there are only 2 sexes. You are very misinformed.

It’s when you don’t feel that you fit into either the male or female box. It’s slightly to do with not following gender stereotypes, but more so. If someone were to say to you “you’re a man”, the reaction you’d have is how I feel when someone says “you’re a woman” (and “you’re a man”). I’m not either.

Well scientifically/medically speaking, intersex is another option.

I don't mean to be goady but what IS non binary?

If you mean that you don't conform to gender stereotypes typically associated with either being male or female then nor do I?

I know that I am a woman because my body is that of a female and because I have given birth to a child. Not because of any set of stereotypes,

Presumably you accept that humans only come in one of two sexes, and therefore you are either male or female. Professor Lord Robert Winston, among others, is very clear on this.

Being the one with ovaries and a uterus, you're the female kind of human. The word for those people, when adult, is women.

A person's gender identity can't affect what sex they are. You can be they/them all you like and good luck to you. Dress how you please with my goodwill and best wishes, not that you need them. But your sex and your gender presentation have nothing to do with one another.

Non-binary IS what I am - no comment on the internet will change that. Saying “non-binary” won’t exempt me from violence either.

Non-binary is how you like to think of yourself, not what you are.

I can understand the impulse to retreat from the prospect of womanhood - society is pretty crappy to women, and the ever-present threat of male violence alongside a pornified culture makes growing up female a dodgy business at times. Christ knows I'd have done anything to escape it at times.

But biology is a belligerent thing and won't bend to the preferences of mere individuals. Born female, you remain a girl then a woman all your life.

“Not a woman” was literally in my post.

Agreed. I don’t think it should be a catch-all but if an individual wants to be referred to in that manner then I think that’s their affair.

Freddie lost her case to be named as the father of the baby she gave birth to, ensuring that women - female people - are mothers and not fathers no matter how they identify.

(There is a difference between genuinely not understanding a term and disagreeing with its use. I assume you are actually the latter.)

If the mother prefers to be known as a birthing person, what’s the problem. Live and let live.

A person that is giving / will be giving birth.

It means woman, as in adult human female.

Language has been skewed, at the expense of women, in order to accommodate the delusions of gender ideology.

I think "women and birthing people" is fine. I object to "women" being taken out of the descriptor, but I have no issue with additional terms being added. It's like how we might say "parents and carers" to recognise dc are usually looked after by parents but the term doesn't apply to everyone.

On the birth certificate they will be the mother. There was a case about this and mother is a legal term and the birth certificate belongs to the child rather thsn parents.

So a woman then