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To refuse to be a witness against colleague??

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Pukkajones · 09/12/2025 14:28

Christmas party, a few nights ago. At a hotel, as it was timed with a big sales meeting, so everyone staying over, 200 ish people, free bar as well as a formal dinner.
Drinking very much encouraged. Staff ages ranged from early 20s to the senior staff in their 50s. Everyone VERY merry.
One colleague, let’s call her Jenny, got a bit carried away, throwing shapes on the dance floor, too touchy feely with men and women apparently then groped one older male colleagues testicles at which point friends grabbed hold of her and steered her off up stairs to her room.
She escaped. Came back down - paralytic at this point - and flashed her boobs at a senior male colleague! In the side bar area so fewer people around me being one of them. Another colleague and I intervened and friends got her again and put her to bed, this time someone stayed with her.

Now I’m being asked to come and tell what I saw to her line manager. I’m in training for an event at the moment so it’s common knowledge that I wasn’t drinking and was sober.

I really don’t want to. She’s lovely, usually quiet and sensible, the company got her poleaxed and now want to carpet her. I’m not a bloody snitch plus - why can’t the guy she flashed at say what happened. Why do I need to be involved???

I’ve been working away since the party so have no idea what is being said in office other than the OMG, Jenny! What was she doing??? Messages. But trust me, there’s plenty of stories from that night… so she’s in good company.

YABU - snitch on her. A man doing that would be in so much trouble.

YANBU - deny seeing anything. If the company ply everyone with that much booze there’s bound to be uncouth behaviour and they probably have enough witnesses already.

OP posts:
Cailleachnamara · 10/12/2025 20:54

ilovesooty · 10/12/2025 20:43

According to the OP's original post, she flashed her boobs, not her bra.

Edit my bad - it did say she flashed her boobs but the OP subsequently clarified the said boobs were not naked.

Actually she didn't say WHAT she flashed.

Cailleachnamara · 10/12/2025 20:53

Jjjg · 10/12/2025 20:40

Sounds you have low standards for acceptable behaviour.

As I keep saying - fucking context!! Wouldn't be acceptable at the supermarket for example but at a drunken adult party - so what!

Cailleachnamara · 10/12/2025 20:51

Jjjg · 10/12/2025 20:39

That's still not okay.

In your opinion. Other opinions are available. I don't think it's a big deal and neither does anyone else I've asked about this thread irl.

ilovesooty · 10/12/2025 20:44

Cailleachnamara · 10/12/2025 20:30

Seriously?? A woman flashed her bra. Get an actual grip!

She flashed her boobs, not her bra according to the OP's original post.

Gloriia · 10/12/2025 20:44

Jjjg · 10/12/2025 18:47

When my DS was at uni a girl slapped his bum in a nightclub. He told the bouncer, they found her, forced her to apologise and kicked her out of the club.

Grin

You were joking?

ilovesooty · 10/12/2025 20:43

Cailleachnamara · 10/12/2025 20:33

All the OP saw was her flashing her bra ffs. Anything else was subsequent gossip!

According to the OP's original post, she flashed her boobs, not her bra.

Jjjg · 10/12/2025 20:40

Cailleachnamara · 10/12/2025 20:34

At a drunken party? Yes seen it several times. Everyone laughed and that was it. Why all the fucking drama?

Sounds you have low standards for acceptable behaviour.

Jjjg · 10/12/2025 20:39

Cailleachnamara · 10/12/2025 20:33

All the OP saw was her flashing her bra ffs. Anything else was subsequent gossip!

That's still not okay.

Cailleachnamara · 10/12/2025 20:37

KilkennyCats · 10/12/2025 19:04

Op has been asked for a witness statement (a statement of fact).
She hasn’t been asked for her opinions on the matter because they’re utterly irrelevant.

I doubt she was under any legal obligation to shop a colleague she thought hadn't done anything that serious. It's not like she was under caution by the police.

Cailleachnamara · 10/12/2025 20:34

Jjjg · 10/12/2025 20:31

If a man pulled down his trousers to flash his boxers would that be okay?

At a drunken party? Yes seen it several times. Everyone laughed and that was it. Why all the fucking drama?

Cailleachnamara · 10/12/2025 20:33

JHound · 10/12/2025 18:12

This woman was clearly predatory. She sexually
assaulted somebody.

All the OP saw was her flashing her bra ffs. Anything else was subsequent gossip!

Jjjg · 10/12/2025 20:31

Cailleachnamara · 10/12/2025 20:30

Seriously?? A woman flashed her bra. Get an actual grip!

If a man pulled down his trousers to flash his boxers would that be okay?

Cailleachnamara · 10/12/2025 20:30

MammarOfOne · 10/12/2025 19:42

This has to be one of the worse threads I’ve ever read on here.

You lied and let a sexual abuser get away with it.

You're disgusting, almost as bad as the person who sexually assaulted her colleague.

Seriously?? A woman flashed her bra. Get an actual grip!

Cailleachnamara · 10/12/2025 20:29

SwirlyGates · 10/12/2025 19:44

Serve her right if she does, frankly. She needs a wake up call.

Let she who is without sin cast the first stone.

You sound an absolute joy. Are you a traffic warden?

Cailleachnamara · 10/12/2025 20:24

Thatsalineallright · 10/12/2025 18:52

But clearly someone was upset since a complaint was lodged.

You might not mind being groped but you don't speak for everyone.

People have a right to be safe from unwanted sexual touches at work. I never thought that was a controversial statement but this thread has shown me otherwise.

Depressing.

Anyone reporting a colleague purely for drunkenly showing her bra at a Christmas party must really have very little else to occupy them.

I didn't say I didn't mind being groped, but I saw it within the context it happened, viz normally nice, decent people who were absolutely blootered (as we say in Scotland) and all of whom subsequently apologised profusely when sober. It is not something I would have wanted to raise officially because I considered no real harm was done. I would not have wanted someone to have a blemished employment record over it that's all. As I said other opinions are available. I am not telling anyone else what to do, just sharing my perfectly valid opinion based on my own experiences. I never claimed to "speak for everyone" 🙄

Incidentally I was also sexually assaulted by a guest at my sister's wedding. In this case the culprit - a cousin's husband, was known as a sex pest and was not drunk. I took an entirely different view of that as that bastard knew exactly what he was doing. There is often nuance in life everything is not always black and white.

SwirlyGates · 10/12/2025 19:44

Mummadeze · 10/12/2025 19:08

All I can say is oh my God, poor Jenny. I was a blackout drunk in the past and had some morifying things happen. She has my sympathy. I had to give up wine completely as it turned me into a completely different person. Hope she doesn’t get sacked.

Serve her right if she does, frankly. She needs a wake up call.

MammarOfOne · 10/12/2025 19:42

Pukkajones · 09/12/2025 14:28

Christmas party, a few nights ago. At a hotel, as it was timed with a big sales meeting, so everyone staying over, 200 ish people, free bar as well as a formal dinner.
Drinking very much encouraged. Staff ages ranged from early 20s to the senior staff in their 50s. Everyone VERY merry.
One colleague, let’s call her Jenny, got a bit carried away, throwing shapes on the dance floor, too touchy feely with men and women apparently then groped one older male colleagues testicles at which point friends grabbed hold of her and steered her off up stairs to her room.
She escaped. Came back down - paralytic at this point - and flashed her boobs at a senior male colleague! In the side bar area so fewer people around me being one of them. Another colleague and I intervened and friends got her again and put her to bed, this time someone stayed with her.

Now I’m being asked to come and tell what I saw to her line manager. I’m in training for an event at the moment so it’s common knowledge that I wasn’t drinking and was sober.

I really don’t want to. She’s lovely, usually quiet and sensible, the company got her poleaxed and now want to carpet her. I’m not a bloody snitch plus - why can’t the guy she flashed at say what happened. Why do I need to be involved???

I’ve been working away since the party so have no idea what is being said in office other than the OMG, Jenny! What was she doing??? Messages. But trust me, there’s plenty of stories from that night… so she’s in good company.

YABU - snitch on her. A man doing that would be in so much trouble.

YANBU - deny seeing anything. If the company ply everyone with that much booze there’s bound to be uncouth behaviour and they probably have enough witnesses already.

This has to be one of the worse threads I’ve ever read on here.

You lied and let a sexual abuser get away with it.

You're disgusting, almost as bad as the person who sexually assaulted her colleague.

Climbingrosexx · 10/12/2025 19:32

MrsHamlet · 10/12/2025 19:19

Sadly I'm not surprised. This blasé attitude is becoming more and more prevalent, and it's horrifying.

It's hardly surprising when you even have a man on here saying they would find it amusing, maybe annoying at worst. Thankfully he doesn't speak for all men and definitely doesn't speak for my dh. I don't think I could respect dh if he thought being groped by some random woman amusing

MrsHamlet · 10/12/2025 19:19

TidyCrow · 10/12/2025 18:59

I can't believe sexual assault is being brushed off as, among other things, a silly stunt.

Some absolute wrong 'uns on this thread.

Sadly I'm not surprised. This blasé attitude is becoming more and more prevalent, and it's horrifying.

Jjjg · 10/12/2025 19:08

TidyCrow · 10/12/2025 18:59

I can't believe sexual assault is being brushed off as, among other things, a silly stunt.

Some absolute wrong 'uns on this thread.

It surprises me as well.

Mummadeze · 10/12/2025 19:08

All I can say is oh my God, poor Jenny. I was a blackout drunk in the past and had some morifying things happen. She has my sympathy. I had to give up wine completely as it turned me into a completely different person. Hope she doesn’t get sacked.

KilkennyCats · 10/12/2025 19:04

Cailleachnamara · 10/12/2025 18:44

@Thatsalineallright.

I have seen plenty of other women's bras and even boobs at Christmas parties. I have been lightly groped by very drunk people on 3 occasions that I can remember and do you know what - I still don't consider myself a "victim". I realised these people were very drunk and behaving totally out of character. They were all beyond apologetic and mortified when they sobered up and discovered what they had done.

None of this was ideal behaviour but I consider it pretty harmless in the context and in the grand scheme of things. Not everything in life (or Christmas parties) has to be over dramatised. Presumably the OP takes a similar view, hence her decision. Not everyone is offended by everything.

Other opinions are available 😉

Edited

Op has been asked for a witness statement (a statement of fact).
She hasn’t been asked for her opinions on the matter because they’re utterly irrelevant.

TidyCrow · 10/12/2025 18:59

I can't believe sexual assault is being brushed off as, among other things, a silly stunt.

Some absolute wrong 'uns on this thread.

berightorbehappy · 10/12/2025 18:56

Go to the meeting. State what you saw in a profession way with no opinion attached and then don’t be drawn into any office gossip about it.
As for your colleague , she needs to fight her own corner .Her behaviour wasn’t ok and as an ex drinker - sometimes a “rock bottom” even losing a job , is the shock you need to wake you up ! As others have said , a man would have probably been a
ready suspended / sacked for the same actions !

Thatsalineallright · 10/12/2025 18:52

Cailleachnamara · 10/12/2025 18:44

@Thatsalineallright.

I have seen plenty of other women's bras and even boobs at Christmas parties. I have been lightly groped by very drunk people on 3 occasions that I can remember and do you know what - I still don't consider myself a "victim". I realised these people were very drunk and behaving totally out of character. They were all beyond apologetic and mortified when they sobered up and discovered what they had done.

None of this was ideal behaviour but I consider it pretty harmless in the context and in the grand scheme of things. Not everything in life (or Christmas parties) has to be over dramatised. Presumably the OP takes a similar view, hence her decision. Not everyone is offended by everything.

Other opinions are available 😉

Edited

But clearly someone was upset since a complaint was lodged.

You might not mind being groped but you don't speak for everyone.

People have a right to be safe from unwanted sexual touches at work. I never thought that was a controversial statement but this thread has shown me otherwise.

Depressing.

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