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Anyone seen woman arrested for saying f****t in a private text message?

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Whywhywhyyyy · 09/12/2025 11:12

This is completely bizarre. The news is thin on the ground so to see it I would have to link the mail or other obscure sites; but they are talking about this on Sky News abroad so assume it’s legit.

Apparently woman was arrested by 10 officers and dragged naked from a bath tub because she called a person who hospitalised her from assault a faggot in a message ranting to a supposed friend who reported her for using that word.

What is going on in this country?!

Yes sure that’s unpleasant. But is that really illegal? And if she has been hospitalised by this person then do I really care if someone uses bad words - even if they are hateful.

YABU - that’s a perfectly appropriate use of the law
YANBU - WTF is going on in this country!

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GagMeWithASpoon · 09/12/2025 17:38

Reading between the lines she didn’t message her attacker , she messaged a (female?) mutual friend. The messages were deemed abusive and the word “faggot” added an extra layer of hate crime.

MoFadaCromulent · 09/12/2025 17:36

OliveBranch22 · 09/12/2025 17:21

Again-that would constitute stalking and harassment.

Not what this was, but I suspect you know that.

There's a difference between wanting to police actual crimes i.e., stalking and harassment, and wanting to police actual words just because someone found them offensive, get it?

So you do agree with censorship and criminalising words in certain context.

If we're going to be free speech absolutists then we can do away with harassment based on words after all who the fuck is the government to tell me I can call my neighbor a racial slur but I can only do it 3 times and after that it's harassment, it's not free speech if I've got a quota on how many times and I'm what manner I can say it.

Also as you say distress is to vague so let's get rid of common assault, how can we gauge fear and anyway it's unfair because now I can just say any words you say that I don't like put me in fear of violence so that's woke nonsense. It's not like the law will account for what is a reasonable belief or judges to instruct on the application of the law.

Joeninety · 09/12/2025 17:35

A pork recipe favoured in northern parts ?.....Mmm, tasty !

CheekyChickenFucker · 09/12/2025 17:34

Not read the thread, but why are people reacting to this 'what is the world coming to?!!' click bait shit?

OliveBranch22 · 09/12/2025 17:30

singmoon · 09/12/2025 17:29

I don't find the sun reputable

Shocker.

Find a source you do find reputable then.

OliveBranch22 · 09/12/2025 17:30

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 17:24

At what point? They’re just words. The prosecution’s case here was that Kinney sent abusive and homophobic texts. Which she admitted. Why are you so committed to allowing the unfettered sending of abuse to women?

You're being disingenuous, and you know it.

The circumstance you described would qualify as harassment if the person was making a long-running, sustained attempt to contact a person that had made it clear that they didn't want to be contacted.

In this particular case, a woman was attacked by a man, and unleashed her emotions in a rant to someone she considered a friend, and in that rant, there were homophobic slurs used.

Do you really think, in that instance, she should be criminalised for using those words?

Again-we're not talking harassment, we're talking criminalising alleged hate speech.

singmoon · 09/12/2025 17:29

OliveBranch22 · 09/12/2025 17:22

You do know Google is a real thing, right, and you can just, you know, use it?

Anyway, here: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/37356128/mum-convicted-hate-crime-text-attacker/

I don't find the sun reputable

PlasticTr33s · 09/12/2025 17:26

OliveBranch22 · 09/12/2025 17:21

Again-that would constitute stalking and harassment.

Not what this was, but I suspect you know that.

There's a difference between wanting to police actual crimes i.e., stalking and harassment, and wanting to police actual words just because someone found them offensive, get it?

Not how it works thankfully.

In the UK, sending a text message containing a homophobic slur like "faggot" can be a
criminal offence under several laws, primarily the Malicious Communications Act 1988 and the Communications Act 2003.
The key factor is that the message is considered "grossly offensive, indecent, obscene or menacing" and is sent with the intent to cause distress or anxiety to the recipient.
Why it is a crime:

  • Grossly Offensive Communication: It is an offence to send an electronic communication that is grossly offensive, with the intent to cause distress or anxiety to the recipient. The use of a slur is highly likely to meet this "grossly offensive" threshold.
  • Hate Crime Aggravation: Crucially, if the offence is motivated by hostility towards the victim's actual or perceived sexual orientation, the court is legally required to treat this as an aggravating factor, which results in a more severe sentence (a "sentence uplift").
  • Harassment: If the text message is part of a pattern of behaviour, it could also lead to charges under the Protection from Harassment Act 1997. There are cases where individuals have been prosecuted for harassment involving persistent use of homophobic abuse.

Hope that helps.

randomchap · 09/12/2025 17:26

It wasn't the F word or any insult that got her arrested.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/27/section/1

To simplify, it includes

Threats
Indecent or grossly offensive material
False information intended to cause distress or anxiety
Anything sent with the purpose of causing distress or anxiety

So it's not just "Hurty words" and frankly anyone using that phrase is showing themselves up to be a deeply unoriginal thinker with the critical thinking abilities of a clam

Malicious Communications Act 1988

An Act to make provision for the punishment of persons who send or deliver letters or other articles for the purpose of causing distress or anxiety.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/27/section/1

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 17:25

OliveBranch22 · 09/12/2025 17:22

You do know Google is a real thing, right, and you can just, you know, use it?

Anyway, here: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/37356128/mum-convicted-hate-crime-text-attacker/

Yep. Not arrested for ‘a word in a text’.

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 17:24

OliveBranch22 · 09/12/2025 17:21

Again-that would constitute stalking and harassment.

Not what this was, but I suspect you know that.

There's a difference between wanting to police actual crimes i.e., stalking and harassment, and wanting to police actual words just because someone found them offensive, get it?

At what point? They’re just words. The prosecution’s case here was that Kinney sent abusive and homophobic texts. Which she admitted. Why are you so committed to allowing the unfettered sending of abuse to women?

OliveBranch22 · 09/12/2025 17:21

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 17:18

So someone texts you ‘Olive is a vacuous bitch’. They do it repeatedly. They do it at 3 in the morning. You block their number. They use other numbers. They continue to text you. They start texting the same thing to your partner. Your parents. Your children. Do you not police that at all? If so at what point? Under what law?

Again-that would constitute stalking and harassment.

Not what this was, but I suspect you know that.

There's a difference between wanting to police actual crimes i.e., stalking and harassment, and wanting to police actual words just because someone found them offensive, get it?

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 17:18

OliveBranch22 · 09/12/2025 17:12

Do you think it's reasonable to arrest something for a word said in private text message?

So someone texts you ‘Olive is a vacuous bitch’. They do it repeatedly. They do it at 3 in the morning. You block their number. They use other numbers. They continue to text you. They start texting the same thing to your partner. Your parents. Your children. Do you not police that at all? If so at what point? Under what law?

singmoon · 09/12/2025 17:17

OliveBranch22 · 09/12/2025 17:12

Do you think it's reasonable to arrest something for a word said in private text message?

Did that happen, I'd like to see full information from a reputable source?

OliveBranch22 · 09/12/2025 17:17

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 17:14

It wasn’t one text. The reports make that clear.

So?

Do you like living in a society where the police will knock on your door because you sent some texts?

Don't you think the police have and should have better things to be doing?

Blizzardofleaves · 09/12/2025 17:15

Given how subjective this word is in some parts of the country, I would be amazed if the police charged her on the grounds of homophobia. That is, rightly, a very high bar.
Depending on the quantity and content of the other messages as to whether this will pass the threshold for malicious communications.

I feared this new legislation would be misused, as it is so open to interpretation. It doesn’t sit well with freedom of speech. The definition will need to be tightened in time.

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 17:14

Dollymylove · 09/12/2025 17:02

Im sure glad that the person who reported the text isnt a friend of mine !!

It wasn’t one text. The reports make that clear.

Heyhelga · 09/12/2025 17:13

It's getting to the point now where the government/police should just issue a list of words you are now no longer allowed to use in text form because at the moment they seem to just be making law and order up as they go along.

OliveBranch22 · 09/12/2025 17:12

PlasticTr33s · 09/12/2025 17:12

It’s not Speech I don’t like , it’s hate speech .

Define hate.

OliveBranch22 · 09/12/2025 17:12

singmoon · 09/12/2025 17:07

I would wait until I had concrete information before rushing to be outraged

Do you think it's reasonable to arrest something for a word said in private text message?

PlasticTr33s · 09/12/2025 17:12

OliveBranch22 · 09/12/2025 17:11

Why do you think speech you don't like should be criminalised?

Do you think we're all a nation of babies who need to be taken care of by the police, lest we hear something that "causes distress?"

It’s not Speech I don’t like , it’s hate speech .

OliveBranch22 · 09/12/2025 17:11

PlasticTr33s · 09/12/2025 17:08

Mot talking about prison.Many criminal activities don’t end in prison.

Why do you think speech you don't like should be criminalised?

Do you think we're all a nation of babies who need to be taken care of by the police, lest we hear something that "causes distress?"

PlasticTr33s · 09/12/2025 17:09

Dollymylove · 09/12/2025 17:02

Im sure glad that the person who reported the text isnt a friend of mine !!

Why, do you use homophobic language and want to be free to use it?

PlasticTr33s · 09/12/2025 17:08

OliveBranch22 · 09/12/2025 17:05

Yes, they are socially unacceptable, sure, I have already said I accept that premise.

Socially unacceptable should not equal criminal, though. Do you want everyone who says a socially unacceptable word to be imprisoned? How big do you think our prisons are?

Mot talking about prison.Many criminal activities don’t end in prison.

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