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Anyone seen woman arrested for saying f****t in a private text message?

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Whywhywhyyyy · 09/12/2025 11:12

This is completely bizarre. The news is thin on the ground so to see it I would have to link the mail or other obscure sites; but they are talking about this on Sky News abroad so assume it’s legit.

Apparently woman was arrested by 10 officers and dragged naked from a bath tub because she called a person who hospitalised her from assault a faggot in a message ranting to a supposed friend who reported her for using that word.

What is going on in this country?!

Yes sure that’s unpleasant. But is that really illegal? And if she has been hospitalised by this person then do I really care if someone uses bad words - even if they are hateful.

YABU - that’s a perfectly appropriate use of the law
YANBU - WTF is going on in this country!

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LemonTT · 10/12/2025 08:10

1457bloom · 10/12/2025 07:48

What a waste of police time.

So an abuse victim receiving online threats and texts from their abuser would be wasting the police’s time by expecting it to be dealt with.

The majority of these cases don’t warrant investigation based on one incident. Although they can if the nature and credibility of a threat is high. They are investigated when someone is on the receiving end of numerous unsolicited and unwanted malicious communications. Because that is someone harassing and abusing you.

In this case the abuser accepted guilt and the poor reporting even notes it was a barrage of messages.

It is right that people who harass and abuse others online and via texts or by phone or poison pen letters are prosecuted and stopped. It is not acceptable behaviour. Even if your feelings have been hurt or you have been a victim yourself. A lot of abusers will have been victims. It doesn’t mean that cannot be held accountable and it doesn’t give them some privileged status in society.

1457bloom · 10/12/2025 07:48

PeachOctopus · 09/12/2025 21:30

  • Over 12,000 arrests/year: Reports from early 2025, based on data up to 2023, indicate police are making over 12,000 arrests annually under laws covering offensive online communications (like S127 Communications Act 2003).
  • Significant Increase: This represents a nearly 58% rise compared to 2019, when around 7,700 arrests were recorded.

What a waste of police time.

Snowonground · 10/12/2025 06:03

Shakeoffyourchains · 09/12/2025 23:50

No one said offence should be illegal, that’s a straw man. The UK has always had legal limits on speech. Pointing that out isn’t smug; refusing to accept it while lecturing others on free expression however...

None of this is new. The laws have been in place for ages, all that’s changed is the number of people skirting/crossing those long-established lines and the number of people reporting them for it. Calling that ‘criminalising offence’ just ignores how the law works.

I don't agree. There seems to be plenty of people who are claiming that causing offence should be illegal. There have been a significant number of cases where someone wrote something fairly inoffensive on the Internet and the police turn up at their door. For example Alison Pearson. Or Graham Lineham, who was arrested months later by armed police. This is wrong and chilling.

The other issue is not being able to predict what will cause offence and to whom. No one wants the police at their door on Sunday morning like Alison Pearson and to have their books checked for wrong-think.

I think people who defend this or don't think there's much of a problem with the law as it is perhaps haven't done much reading in life to know it's worrying as to where this sort of thing might go. (That's just my personal opinion of course and I'm sure it doesn't apply to all).

Shakeoffyourchains · 09/12/2025 23:50

Snowonground · 09/12/2025 20:41

I've always thought people being smug on MN and suggesting they are cleverer than everyone else does people no credit.

There's no law against offending people. Or there shouldn't be. Which is what the OPs story regarding the texts seems to be about.

The whole issue at the moment in this country is speech being criminalised. Or the attempt to criminalise speech (luckily often rejected by juries).

No one said offence should be illegal, that’s a straw man. The UK has always had legal limits on speech. Pointing that out isn’t smug; refusing to accept it while lecturing others on free expression however...

None of this is new. The laws have been in place for ages, all that’s changed is the number of people skirting/crossing those long-established lines and the number of people reporting them for it. Calling that ‘criminalising offence’ just ignores how the law works.

SqishySqashmas · 09/12/2025 23:47

Well maybe they should go and arrest the Pogues while they're at it.

GarlicRound · 09/12/2025 23:20

GaIadriel · 09/12/2025 14:08

Tbf, there's a video of a 14-15yo autistic girl being dragged out of her house by about 5-6 officers for making a comment online. It was something along the lines of "she's a lesbian like Auntie Jane" but not meant maliciously.

She was cowering in the cupboard under the stairs, clearly overwhelmed, and they drag her out kicking and screaming from what I remember. May have got a few minor details wrong but it was essentially that. An autistic teenager making a non malicious comment and being arrested.

So I can believe this would happen.

Blimey, that's awful!

NCReceptor · 09/12/2025 21:41

That some people are so desperate to justify this appalling overreaction is frankly terrifying. At what stage do you admit to yourself that you welcomed the police state?

PeachOctopus · 09/12/2025 21:30
  • Over 12,000 arrests/year: Reports from early 2025, based on data up to 2023, indicate police are making over 12,000 arrests annually under laws covering offensive online communications (like S127 Communications Act 2003).
  • Significant Increase: This represents a nearly 58% rise compared to 2019, when around 7,700 arrests were recorded.
JWhipple · 09/12/2025 21:29

Muffsies · 09/12/2025 11:23

If someone assaulted me I would not be looking to inflame the situation with them. If they are derranged or unhinged how did she think that was going to turn out? Getting in trouble with the police is probably the least bad outcome. She sounds like an idiot that needs to be told to stand the hell down.

How was she inflaming him? By texting a separate person to rant about them? Where presumably she didn't think the person would report her text to the police?

wrongthinker · 09/12/2025 21:25

MoFadaCromulent · 09/12/2025 21:17

Where have you seen that she reported the assault to the police.

And the 10 police is only based on her claim on piers Morgan so I'll take it with a pinch of salt

It's not unprecedented, is it? Look at the number of arrests for speech in this country over the last few years. There are about 30 a day. Literally arresting people for things they say online or in private conversations. There have been quite a few high profile cases where the police have overreached and been forced to apologise. So yeah, I don't doubt that it's true - and if it isn't, well, the facts will be on record, won't they, so I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.

MoFadaCromulent · 09/12/2025 21:17

wrongthinker · 09/12/2025 21:05

Fucking hell, that is terrifying. So the man who beat her up doesn't get arrested, but they sent ten!!! officers to a woman's house to arrest her for ranting to her mate.

The police in this country are an absolute joke. Rape, assault, robbery - no chance the police will do a thing. Call someone a nasty name and you'll have ten officers kicking your door down.

Nothing can justify this. Utterly terrifying for the woman. She looks small and slight and certainly not such a threat that it needs ten officers to arrest her.

It's honestly sickening.

Where have you seen that she reported the assault to the police.

And the 10 police is only based on her claim on piers Morgan so I'll take it with a pinch of salt

wrongthinker · 09/12/2025 21:05

Fucking hell, that is terrifying. So the man who beat her up doesn't get arrested, but they sent ten!!! officers to a woman's house to arrest her for ranting to her mate.

The police in this country are an absolute joke. Rape, assault, robbery - no chance the police will do a thing. Call someone a nasty name and you'll have ten officers kicking your door down.

Nothing can justify this. Utterly terrifying for the woman. She looks small and slight and certainly not such a threat that it needs ten officers to arrest her.

It's honestly sickening.

Snowonground · 09/12/2025 20:41

Shakeoffyourchains · 09/12/2025 20:18

No it doesn't, and it never has. Not sure why the simple fact that freedom of expression has always been limited by law in the UK is so hard for some people to grasp.

I've always thought people being smug on MN and suggesting they are cleverer than everyone else does people no credit.

There's no law against offending people. Or there shouldn't be. Which is what the OPs story regarding the texts seems to be about.

The whole issue at the moment in this country is speech being criminalised. Or the attempt to criminalise speech (luckily often rejected by juries).

Whywhywhyyyy · 09/12/2025 20:37

Lambington · 09/12/2025 20:19

After a quick google:

"A report by the Times in April 2025, based on data from freedom of information requests and Ministry of Justice records, indicated that the number of convictions for offences under Section 1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1988 and Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003 had decreased over the past decade, despite a significant increase in arrests. The report noted that arrests under these sections had risen by nearly 58% since before the pandemic, with over 12,000 arrests annually, equating to more than 30 per day. While specific conviction numbers are not available, the data suggests a growing number of arrests but a declining trend in convictions."

Funny how none of these Patriots seemed outraged about ""what was happening to the country" 10 years ago when more people were actually being convicted when the Tories were in charge.

The law in question was brought in by Thatcher.

I am not sure if you’re calling me a patriot?

But yes 10 years ago we had a lot more men in women’s prisons and what I am learning is it takes a little while for people to clock on.

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Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 09/12/2025 20:35

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 20:05

But not appalled at people trying to justify sending abuse to other people hey? Many women are subjected to abusive messages. The law currently allows room for them to report them as malicious communications if they feel, among other things, distress I’m not sure why you want to take that protection away from women.

For the record, the example of 90s policing was from my personal experience as was the ‘has he actually threatened you’ comment. So save the implication that you’re the only person who either knows or cares about DV

Working with women who have been murdered, almost murdered, had their dogs stabbed, their children removed, put in prison, forced into prostitution because of the very real THREAT of male violence.

Nah, you’re right. I don’t give a shit about rude words.

I know you’re not going to back down or stop using these women as a means to make your own, very separate point (ironically against a woman who was actually ASSAULTED by the person she called a bad word) so I’m going to bow out of this.

I hope you get the validation you need out of your whatabouting on this thread.

Whywhywhyyyy · 09/12/2025 20:35

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 20:11

Personally I’d differentiate between a case like this, where the messages have remained private and I suspect there is quite the backstory and other cases where something is posted publicly and we can all see what was said. I think there’s been some overreach in the latter.

Yeah I agree with that. That is a fair point.

But I don’t want to just stick my head in the sand and dismiss private cases either. To me the fact they sent 10 men around to arrest here indicates a ridiculous abuse of power. And the f* hate crime part is confusing here as not direct and not public.

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Lambington · 09/12/2025 20:19

After a quick google:

"A report by the Times in April 2025, based on data from freedom of information requests and Ministry of Justice records, indicated that the number of convictions for offences under Section 1 of the Malicious Communications Act 1988 and Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003 had decreased over the past decade, despite a significant increase in arrests. The report noted that arrests under these sections had risen by nearly 58% since before the pandemic, with over 12,000 arrests annually, equating to more than 30 per day. While specific conviction numbers are not available, the data suggests a growing number of arrests but a declining trend in convictions."

Funny how none of these Patriots seemed outraged about ""what was happening to the country" 10 years ago when more people were actually being convicted when the Tories were in charge.

The law in question was brought in by Thatcher.

Shakeoffyourchains · 09/12/2025 20:18

Snowonground · 09/12/2025 18:35

"Free speech doesn’t mean you get to call someone really grotesques names."

Free speech means exactly that.

No it doesn't, and it never has. Not sure why the simple fact that freedom of expression has always been limited by law in the UK is so hard for some people to grasp.

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 20:11

Whywhywhyyyy · 09/12/2025 19:58

10 years ago, 5 even. Would have probably thought the same as you. Now I am not so sure what’s happening as we seem to have a drip drip of injustice when it comes to speech stuff.

You’re right it’s a hell of a messy example. Sounds a vile situation on all fronts. But yes I am asking the question should what sounds like a big messy argument be a criminal offence?!

And I don’t know what I am supposed to have made up but if I have said something wrong please correct it so we are discussing the correct thing.

Personally I’d differentiate between a case like this, where the messages have remained private and I suspect there is quite the backstory and other cases where something is posted publicly and we can all see what was said. I think there’s been some overreach in the latter.

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 20:05

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 09/12/2025 19:33

https://library.college.police.uk/docs/college-of-policing/Risk-led-policing-2-2016.pdf

Have you heard of a DASH risk assessment checklist?

To be honest, I’m pretty appalled at you comparing the domestic abuse of women to mean tweets. Two women a week are killed by men in the UK.

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But not appalled at people trying to justify sending abuse to other people hey? Many women are subjected to abusive messages. The law currently allows room for them to report them as malicious communications if they feel, among other things, distress I’m not sure why you want to take that protection away from women.

For the record, the example of 90s policing was from my personal experience as was the ‘has he actually threatened you’ comment. So save the implication that you’re the only person who either knows or cares about DV

PollyBell · 09/12/2025 20:00

So have the details been verified to be true away from the daily mail that is

Whywhywhyyyy · 09/12/2025 19:58

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 18:15

But is it malicious? I am not sure it is.

What you are sure of is irrelevant. The victim reported it and then Kinney pleaded guilty. You're making a whole lot of other stuff up apparently, like others, to justify sending people abusive messages.

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10 years ago, 5 even. Would have probably thought the same as you. Now I am not so sure what’s happening as we seem to have a drip drip of injustice when it comes to speech stuff.

You’re right it’s a hell of a messy example. Sounds a vile situation on all fronts. But yes I am asking the question should what sounds like a big messy argument be a criminal offence?!

And I don’t know what I am supposed to have made up but if I have said something wrong please correct it so we are discussing the correct thing.

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YourLoyalPlumOP · 09/12/2025 19:48

Snowonground · 09/12/2025 18:35

"Free speech doesn’t mean you get to call someone really grotesques names."

Free speech means exactly that.

Well thank goodness it’s not classed as free speech then.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 09/12/2025 19:33

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 19:26

”but has he actually threatened you?”

https://library.college.police.uk/docs/college-of-policing/Risk-led-policing-2-2016.pdf

Have you heard of a DASH risk assessment checklist?

To be honest, I’m pretty appalled at you comparing the domestic abuse of women to mean tweets. Two women a week are killed by men in the UK.

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 19:26

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 09/12/2025 19:19

Why are you pretending that we’ve never been able to understand what a threat is?

”but has he actually threatened you?”