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Council tax is a c**t

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Upholstery · 08/12/2025 21:13

What kind of a tax doesn't take account of how much money you have? It's all just a bloody con.

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XenoBitch · 14/12/2025 15:03

MidnightMeltdown · 14/12/2025 13:05

Council tax is based on wealth (property value) which I think is a good thing. Income is overtaxed which unfair on younger workers.

But if you rent, the wealth in that property is not yours.

Differentforgirls · 14/12/2025 14:57

ThisLittlePony · 14/12/2025 14:55

everyone or the usual everyone aka those who work?

Do you think that people who don't work don't pay tax?

ThisLittlePony · 14/12/2025 14:55

NorthXNorthWest · 14/12/2025 14:42

All pensioners need to pay tax , not just those with private pensions.

Everyone else needs to pay more tax.

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everyone or the usual everyone aka those who work?

Differentforgirls · 14/12/2025 14:45

NorthXNorthWest · 14/12/2025 14:42

All pensioners need to pay tax , not just those with private pensions.

Everyone else needs to pay more tax.

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So pensioners on a pension less than the personal allowance should pay tax?

NorthXNorthWest · 14/12/2025 14:42

Upholstery · 14/12/2025 14:32

People are living longer, but it doesn't mean they can work for longer. Healthy life expectancy has barely moved in decades.

All pensioners need to pay tax , not just those with private pensions.

Everyone else needs to pay more tax.

Upholstery · 14/12/2025 14:32

People are living longer, but it doesn't mean they can work for longer. Healthy life expectancy has barely moved in decades.

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Differentforgirls · 14/12/2025 14:29

PinkHairbrushClub · 14/12/2025 14:25

But that is what it was Built to do. To plug a relatively short gap between retirement and death. With the increase in life expectancy the amount of time on average that people get paid a state pension has increased hugely. It’s not affordable long term.

So what’s your answer?

PinkHairbrushClub · 14/12/2025 14:25

LoyalMember · 14/12/2025 13:28

Read an article last week that reported that the Government's mulling over whether to raise the retiral age to 72. It's as clear as day that they want as many folk as possible to die off before they can claim their State Pensions.
Work hard, pay taxes all your life, then drop dead. It's the British Way..

But that is what it was Built to do. To plug a relatively short gap between retirement and death. With the increase in life expectancy the amount of time on average that people get paid a state pension has increased hugely. It’s not affordable long term.

WonderfulSmith · 14/12/2025 14:25

MidnightMeltdown · 14/12/2025 13:05

Council tax is based on wealth (property value) which I think is a good thing. Income is overtaxed which unfair on younger workers.

But you could argue that I can be on the same wage as someone much younger than me who is living in a smaller house. I, theoretically, could have bought my house 20 years ago for half as much as the young person who is in a much smaller house. My house has gone up in value but my wages haven’t so much.

LoyalMember · 14/12/2025 13:28

Upholstery · 14/12/2025 13:00

Expect to see more of that as state pension age is pushed back, regardless of how often we're told that 70 is the new 60.

Read an article last week that reported that the Government's mulling over whether to raise the retiral age to 72. It's as clear as day that they want as many folk as possible to die off before they can claim their State Pensions.
Work hard, pay taxes all your life, then drop dead. It's the British Way..

MidnightMeltdown · 14/12/2025 13:05

Council tax is based on wealth (property value) which I think is a good thing. Income is overtaxed which unfair on younger workers.

Upholstery · 14/12/2025 13:00

Expect to see more of that as state pension age is pushed back, regardless of how often we're told that 70 is the new 60.

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suburburban · 14/12/2025 12:35

Balletpoint · 14/12/2025 09:05

I don't see anything wrong with retiring early as you still pay Council tax. You also pay income tax unless you are surviving on a small private pension.

Surely the issue isn't retiring early but leaving the workplace early to go on benefits and paying a reduced council tax.

Exactly

BIossomtoes · 14/12/2025 12:26

WonderfulSmith · 14/12/2025 12:24

Why are so many people retiring early, as in before the age of 67?

Because they are fucking knackered. Like hell am I working until I’m nearly bloody 70.

This. And with the pension age rising the number of people retiring “early” will also increase. I was 62 when I retired and I was done, there was no more in the tank.

WonderfulSmith · 14/12/2025 12:24

Sparklesandspandexgallore · 13/12/2025 16:44

But in reality the majority of taxpayers DO object to paying for things they don’t see a benefit in. Why do you think politicians bow to social pressure?
Why are so many people retiring early, as in before the age of 67? They absolutely know that they are no longer paying income tax and NI but are they upset about the consequences of that? No, not at all. I could write pages about how people are selfish and think of themselves. Dropping litter, graffiti, arson, fly tipping, tax avoidance, letting their dogs shit everywhere, throwing cigarettes in the floor, throwing rubbish out of car windows, living apart from their oh so that they can screw the tax payer, putting property in trust, refusing to pay for relatives funerals, not turning up for specialist appointments for their DCs at school, not adhering to advice about children/health, using passenger transport when they get a car on mobility, abusing blue badges, not paying child maintenance, not paying VAT, not declaring earnings, yet when anyone challenges this they are the unreasonable one ok………

Why are so many people retiring early, as in before the age of 67?

Because they are fucking knackered. Like hell am I working until I’m nearly bloody 70.

Balletpoint · 14/12/2025 09:05

I don't see anything wrong with retiring early as you still pay Council tax. You also pay income tax unless you are surviving on a small private pension.

Surely the issue isn't retiring early but leaving the workplace early to go on benefits and paying a reduced council tax.

itsnotfairisit · 14/12/2025 08:39

Ummm... I'm 59 and retired, and husband is 64 and retired at 58. We both pay plenty of tax and and council tax. And we don't mind doing it. But I do mind inferences that we don't!

Allergictoironing · 14/12/2025 08:15

Why are so many people retiring early, as in before the age of 67? They absolutely know that they are no longer paying income tax and NI but are they upset about the consequences of that?

I won't be retiring before my state retirement age, as I can't afford it before the state pension comes in for me. People who retire early in general do so if they can afford it based on private pensions and savings/other income, and they certainly will be paying tax on any income over the personal allowance amount. When people reach the state pension age, that is added to all other forms of income and again tax is paid on everything over the personal allowance.

The only exception is the 25% tax free sum on non-state pensions, which you can either take as a chunk when you retire (leaving less to fund your income later on), or you can choose to have spread out over time.

Did you really think that you don't pay any tax on pensions however much they are?

Differentforgirls · 14/12/2025 06:49

Sparklesandspandexgallore · 13/12/2025 16:44

But in reality the majority of taxpayers DO object to paying for things they don’t see a benefit in. Why do you think politicians bow to social pressure?
Why are so many people retiring early, as in before the age of 67? They absolutely know that they are no longer paying income tax and NI but are they upset about the consequences of that? No, not at all. I could write pages about how people are selfish and think of themselves. Dropping litter, graffiti, arson, fly tipping, tax avoidance, letting their dogs shit everywhere, throwing cigarettes in the floor, throwing rubbish out of car windows, living apart from their oh so that they can screw the tax payer, putting property in trust, refusing to pay for relatives funerals, not turning up for specialist appointments for their DCs at school, not adhering to advice about children/health, using passenger transport when they get a car on mobility, abusing blue badges, not paying child maintenance, not paying VAT, not declaring earnings, yet when anyone challenges this they are the unreasonable one ok………

I retired at 60. Still pay income tax and council tax.

Allergictoironing · 13/12/2025 22:46

Over the years central Government have delegated more and more responsibilities to local authorities but not given much if any more money to cover this. So things that need to be paid for have increased year on year with no additional income to pay for them (this is of course over and above inflationary increases). The councils don't have an awful lot of freedom on how they spend their money as these are all statutory spending and tend to take up most of their income leaving very little for much of their traditional responsibilities.

At the same time, Governments of the day have manipulated how much is given by them to local authorities for political reasons e.g. certain London boroughs getting more help from the centre.

Every area is different in their demographics and therefore needs. In Kent for example they have a much higher cost for housing and supporting asylum seekers as that's where the majority arrive and most other councils refuse to take them, but there's no central Government help in paying for those costs. Some areas have much higher levels of unemployment than others due to various industries dying.

A poster early on in the thread suggested that local council workers are paid well and have half their time off sick on full pay. I earn about 20p an hour over minimum wage, and yes I did end up taking some time off sick recently - because I was working so hard I broke down due to stress, the 2nd person so affected in my small team in 6 months. Please don't judge all council staff by the wages paid to our board level people, it's notoriously badly paid for "normal" grades.

cotswoldsgal1234 · 13/12/2025 22:08

Upholstery · 08/12/2025 22:01

But millionaires aren't paying their share now and haven't done for decades! Why am I paying more tax for a tiny two bed flat that I don't even own than a CEO with a house in Westminster?

And my flat is as band C, as all two bedroom flats built after 1998 are round here, automatically, because they of this "assigning value" nonsense. So I'm even paying more than someone else in the area who lives in a bloody house! That they own!

And how much stamp duty did you pay compared to how much stamp duty was paid for the property in Westminster? They probably paid more in stamp duty than you will pay in a lifetime of council tax. Then every time they get in their car they pay a congestion zone charge.

suburburban · 13/12/2025 21:49

LoyalMember · 13/12/2025 21:46

I've got eight years until I retire, but I can't see myself making it to that age. There's no chance in Hell that my wife's going to be able to work until retirement. She's 53 now and already registered disabled. We're just done. I'm a warehouseman/forklift driver/van driver, and my wife's a nursing assistant who can hardly walk at night sometimes due to the pain she's in. Aye, we're such selfish bastards, aren't we...?

Sorry to hear that about your wife

yes, it can’t be easy in a job that is quite physical

LoyalMember · 13/12/2025 21:46

suburburban · 13/12/2025 21:31

I can’t see myself working till I’m 67.

my dm retired at 60

if you can afford to retire earlier what is wrong with that. You would be still paying council tax

I've got eight years until I retire, but I can't see myself making it to that age. There's no chance in Hell that my wife's going to be able to work until retirement. She's 53 now and already registered disabled. We're just done. I'm a warehouseman/forklift driver/van driver, and my wife's a nursing assistant who can hardly walk at night sometimes due to the pain she's in. Aye, we're such selfish bastards, aren't we...?

suburburban · 13/12/2025 21:31

Sparklesandspandexgallore · 13/12/2025 16:44

But in reality the majority of taxpayers DO object to paying for things they don’t see a benefit in. Why do you think politicians bow to social pressure?
Why are so many people retiring early, as in before the age of 67? They absolutely know that they are no longer paying income tax and NI but are they upset about the consequences of that? No, not at all. I could write pages about how people are selfish and think of themselves. Dropping litter, graffiti, arson, fly tipping, tax avoidance, letting their dogs shit everywhere, throwing cigarettes in the floor, throwing rubbish out of car windows, living apart from their oh so that they can screw the tax payer, putting property in trust, refusing to pay for relatives funerals, not turning up for specialist appointments for their DCs at school, not adhering to advice about children/health, using passenger transport when they get a car on mobility, abusing blue badges, not paying child maintenance, not paying VAT, not declaring earnings, yet when anyone challenges this they are the unreasonable one ok………

I can’t see myself working till I’m 67.

my dm retired at 60

if you can afford to retire earlier what is wrong with that. You would be still paying council tax

SerendipityJane · 13/12/2025 16:57

Lifestooshort71 · 13/12/2025 16:50

Strange, this is what I found 'passive wealth' means (what I'd said in other words)

Passive wealth, often referred to as passive income, is unearned income generated from assets, investments, or ventures in which an individual is not actively or materially involved on an ongoing basis

Going back just over 100 years, it's what "independent means" meant. Which is the strata of persons who were above middle class (i.e. people who grubbed for a living, but usually in a profession) but below the gentry (who actually owned the land).

That's a rough overview.

TL;DR means you don't have to work for a living.