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Council tax is a c**t

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Upholstery · 08/12/2025 21:13

What kind of a tax doesn't take account of how much money you have? It's all just a bloody con.

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Differentforgirls · 09/12/2025 14:15

randomchap · 09/12/2025 14:12

Nope, it's the people who live there.

Ok. Maybe I would have, as you said earlier, just added the CT to the rent I was charging.

randomchap · 09/12/2025 14:12

Differentforgirls · 09/12/2025 14:11

I don’t know much about it tbh as I have never rented. But when my parents passed away, I sold their house as I couldn’t be arsed with being a landlord. But if I had kept it and rented it out, then I think I would have been responsible for CT as it would have still been my house?

Nope, it's the people who live there.

Differentforgirls · 09/12/2025 14:11

randomchap · 09/12/2025 14:06

Who would then just increase your rent to compensate

I don’t know much about it tbh as I have never rented. But when my parents passed away, I sold their house as I couldn’t be arsed with being a landlord. But if I had kept it and rented it out, then I think I would have been responsible for CT as it would have still been my house?

randomchap · 09/12/2025 14:06

Differentforgirls · 09/12/2025 14:06

I think if you’re paying rent to a private landlord then the responsibility for CT should rest with the landlord.

Who would then just increase your rent to compensate

Differentforgirls · 09/12/2025 14:06

WonderfulSmith · 09/12/2025 13:39

Why are people bringing renting into this? Do renters not use public services?

I think if you’re paying rent to a private landlord then the responsibility for CT should rest with the landlord.

randomchap · 09/12/2025 14:00

MackenCheese · 09/12/2025 13:59

Ooh, that's helpful. Will have a look thank you! (He's in college)

Brilliant, hope it does help

MackenCheese · 09/12/2025 13:59

randomchap · 09/12/2025 13:57

https://www.gov.uk/council-tax/discounts-for-full-time-students

Is he at school still? Working? Claiming benefits?

Ooh, that's helpful. Will have a look thank you! (He's in college)

Owlbookend · 09/12/2025 13:57

Nevermind17 · 09/12/2025 13:47

The point is there should be parity across the country. Other councils still have services and their residents are paying half as much or less, band for band. And often it’s the cash-strapped northern councils, in the most deprived areas, that charge the most because their need is greatest. It’s unfair.

I agree that the system could be modified so it is fairer. All i am saying is that overall revenue levels need to.be maintained. If some people pay less others will need to pay more.

MackenCheese · 09/12/2025 13:53

HellsAngel81 · 08/12/2025 22:02

YANBU op! And don't get me started on the paltry single person's discount 😤

And I've lost my single person's discount as my son has just turned 18, and is an "adult". Yeah, right!

Owlbookend · 09/12/2025 13:50

Most people want to know that they can call the fire service or police if needed. Most people recognise that the roads they use need maintaining. Most people want all children to be educated including children with SEND. Most people want safeguarding issues to be investigated both in the cases of children and vulnerable adults. Most people want rubbish collected.
These things cost money. All these services are stretched. With less money they will detiorate further.
Maybe some people dont care about these things unless they are the direct beneficary. I really dont know what to say about that.

WonderfulSmith · 09/12/2025 13:48

Balab · 09/12/2025 13:40

I was referring to what I get.

My children are too old for education, unless you count uni that I’m paying £££££ for.
I’m not elderly. My mum is, and I do all the caring for her myself. Every day.
We have not called the police or fire.
Our street lights are turned off leaving parts of our street in pitch black.
The roads on my estate were surfaced by the house builder a couple of decades ago.

I really do get fuck all for a massive amount of money.

That’s not how society works. Children at school now will go into be productive members of society paying taxes when you are claiming a pension. Just because you have had all you what, maternity services, schooling for your children etc it doesn’t mean you get to pull the ladder up after you.

Nevermind17 · 09/12/2025 13:47

Owlbookend · 09/12/2025 13:38

Our council has said outright that the only things that they can fund this year are emptying the bins, social care and SEN provision, plus the quarter of the council’s budget that goes on paying pension contributions. Everything else is gone.

How would paying less tax and reducing revenue improve this situation? Do council employees not deserve pensions? If services are cut/reduced/stretched they arent going to improve if there is even less money available.

The point is there should be parity across the country. Other councils still have services and their residents are paying half as much or less, band for band. And often it’s the cash-strapped northern councils, in the most deprived areas, that charge the most because their need is greatest. It’s unfair.

Blondeshavemorefun · 09/12/2025 13:47

HellsAngel81 · 08/12/2025 22:02

YANBU op! And don't get me started on the paltry single person's discount 😤

One adult should definitely be 50% discount.

The Council tax isn’t fair to all people. I’m in C a three bedroom semi. My friend is in a one bedroom flat which B And she pays only £300 less a year than me,

How is that fair?

randomchap · 09/12/2025 13:44

Balab · 09/12/2025 13:40

I was referring to what I get.

My children are too old for education, unless you count uni that I’m paying £££££ for.
I’m not elderly. My mum is, and I do all the caring for her myself. Every day.
We have not called the police or fire.
Our street lights are turned off leaving parts of our street in pitch black.
The roads on my estate were surfaced by the house builder a couple of decades ago.

I really do get fuck all for a massive amount of money.

Education is a universal good.
Elderly social care allows their families to go out and work. If your mum needs care look at what's available. Take the strain off
So you only drive on the road outside your house?

You might not be getting much directly but you will be benefiting indirectly

Balab · 09/12/2025 13:40

InlandTaipan · 09/12/2025 06:32

Is it now? No police or fire service round your way then? No streetlighting or surfaced roads? None of the children in your town get an education and the elderly left to die on the street?

I was referring to what I get.

My children are too old for education, unless you count uni that I’m paying £££££ for.
I’m not elderly. My mum is, and I do all the caring for her myself. Every day.
We have not called the police or fire.
Our street lights are turned off leaving parts of our street in pitch black.
The roads on my estate were surfaced by the house builder a couple of decades ago.

I really do get fuck all for a massive amount of money.

WonderfulSmith · 09/12/2025 13:39

Why are people bringing renting into this? Do renters not use public services?

Owlbookend · 09/12/2025 13:38

Our council has said outright that the only things that they can fund this year are emptying the bins, social care and SEN provision, plus the quarter of the council’s budget that goes on paying pension contributions. Everything else is gone.

How would paying less tax and reducing revenue improve this situation? Do council employees not deserve pensions? If services are cut/reduced/stretched they arent going to improve if there is even less money available.

Nevermind17 · 09/12/2025 13:32

SerendipityJane · 09/12/2025 10:38

I think taxes are a good thing.

I pay my taxes. They buy me civilisation.

I don’t object to paying taxes if we are getting a decent service. I object to paying tax when the council have stopped maintaining roads and pavements, stopped cutting grass and trees and weeds, turned off half the street lights, closed the libraries (along with the adult education classes that used to be held there), stopped services like pest control, the scheme that used to remove large items of household furniture and white goods for a nominal fee, started charging for green waste removal, introduced car parking charges near every green space or shopping areas. Volunteers keep the parks tidy. I could list countless schemes and initiatives that no longer exist.

Our council has said outright that the only things that they can fund this year are emptying the bins, social care and SEN provision, plus the quarter of the council’s budget that goes on paying pension contributions. Everything else is gone.

Politicians247UnderwearExtinguishingService · 09/12/2025 13:32

lifeonmars100 · 09/12/2025 10:51

Has it escaped your notice that all houses and flats are charged council tax? Where are these mythical properties that are exempt, I want to move to one now!

It's your fault; you just aren't looking hard enough - this one even comes with parking big enough for a very large vehicle.

Council tax is a c**t
Owlbookend · 09/12/2025 13:15

I get that people think that services arent of a good standard. I also understand that people think that the way that CT revenue is raised could be made fairer. Although how this alternative system would be best organised i am not sure about. None of the available options will be universally supported.
What i am sure about is if the revenue received by councils is reduced essential services will get even worse. Potholes in roads, overstretched social services departments, poor SEND support, infrequent rubbish collections - with less money these things will just deterioate further not improve. Services need paying for.

suburburban · 09/12/2025 13:14

OonaStubbs · 09/12/2025 08:23

Why do so many children have EHCPs nowadays? Surely there could be a crackdown on that to save money?

Also the taxis for some of them is another huge expense

Differentforgirls · 09/12/2025 13:08

LoyalMember · 09/12/2025 13:07

How to tell somebody you're a Nationalist without actually saying it....😄

Your user name gives you away 😉

LoyalMember · 09/12/2025 13:07

Differentforgirls · 09/12/2025 12:17

I still love it! Though I have sympathy with the council due to the shit show Labour left.

How to tell somebody you're a Nationalist without actually saying it....😄

TeenLifeMum · 09/12/2025 13:02

caramac04 · 09/12/2025 01:39

True but why is our rubbish collection allowance for a 4 bed house the same as that of a 1 bed house?

All the champagne bottles they have to collect from the 1 bed.