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Council tax is a c**t

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Upholstery · 08/12/2025 21:13

What kind of a tax doesn't take account of how much money you have? It's all just a bloody con.

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SerendipityJane · 09/12/2025 14:36

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:27

Employees pay tax and VAT. Benefit people should do the same.

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"Benefit people" ?

Odd turn of phrase 🤔

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:36

randomchap · 09/12/2025 14:29

People on benefits pay VAT when they buy a vat-able item. What makes you think they don't

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Is UC subject to PAYE tax?

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:35

Differentforgirls · 09/12/2025 14:31

No one is tax free!

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Yes if you earn under the threshold.

I repeat benefits need to be taxed the same as any other income.

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:32

Differentforgirls · 09/12/2025 14:31

Btw, I’m not an employee but I still pay income tax.

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Employers, employees, pensioners pay income tax over the allowance. Benefits need to be taxed.

SerendipityJane · 09/12/2025 14:32

Differentforgirls · 09/12/2025 14:29

Are you aware that we all have a tax free amount on PAYE?

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To be fair, if you aren't from the UK, you may not know how our tax system works. You always need to bear in mind how many overseas posters are obsessed with making Britain fairer and throwing off the yoke of woke liberal oppression that prevents free speech and criticising the government

Differentforgirls · 09/12/2025 14:31

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:31

Yes. But benefits seem to be tax free. There is the problem!!!!!

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No one is tax free!

Differentforgirls · 09/12/2025 14:31

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:27

Employees pay tax and VAT. Benefit people should do the same.

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Btw, I’m not an employee but I still pay income tax.

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:31

Differentforgirls · 09/12/2025 14:29

Are you aware that we all have a tax free amount on PAYE?

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Yes. But benefits seem to be tax free. There is the problem!!!!!

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:30

randomchap · 09/12/2025 14:28

So you want a flat rate tax for everyone? Any personal allowance? Same rate paid on cgt, corporation tax etc?

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That is an additional tax for everyone if Council tax is abolished. The main point is if you use Ciuncil services you have to pay. No exceptions.

Differentforgirls · 09/12/2025 14:29

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:27

Employees pay tax and VAT. Benefit people should do the same.

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Are you aware that we all have a tax free amount on PAYE?

randomchap · 09/12/2025 14:29

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:27

Employees pay tax and VAT. Benefit people should do the same.

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People on benefits pay VAT when they buy a vat-able item. What makes you think they don't

Differentforgirls · 09/12/2025 14:28

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:23

They should still pay unless they are happy not to use NHS, schools roads

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Not one council in the UK funds the NHS.

randomchap · 09/12/2025 14:28

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:26

? If it is made up. Let's scrap council tax and even thoughts of poll tax and instead have a flat rate tax for workers and those on benefits.

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So you want a flat rate tax for everyone? Any personal allowance? Same rate paid on cgt, corporation tax etc?

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:27

Differentforgirls · 09/12/2025 14:25

No. But everyone pays CT and VAT eg.

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Employees pay tax and VAT. Benefit people should do the same.

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:26

randomchap · 09/12/2025 14:23

Now you're just making things up.

It was a fundamentally unfair tax that did not take into account the ability to pay

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? If it is made up. Let's scrap council tax and even thoughts of poll tax and instead have a flat rate tax for workers and those on benefits.

Differentforgirls · 09/12/2025 14:25

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:22

Are you saying UC is subject to tax in the same way PAYE is?

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No. But everyone pays CT and VAT eg.

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:23

Differentforgirls · 09/12/2025 14:20

Because they have low income.

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They should still pay unless they are happy not to use NHS, schools roads

randomchap · 09/12/2025 14:23

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:19

The people who objected where the ones who enjoyed a free ride.

Something has to be done as tax payers have had enough of subsidising the takers.

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Now you're just making things up.

It was a fundamentally unfair tax that did not take into account the ability to pay

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:22

Differentforgirls · 09/12/2025 14:20

Everyone pays tax.

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Are you saying UC is subject to tax in the same way PAYE is?

SerendipityJane · 09/12/2025 14:21

Nevermind17 · 09/12/2025 13:32

I don’t object to paying taxes if we are getting a decent service. I object to paying tax when the council have stopped maintaining roads and pavements, stopped cutting grass and trees and weeds, turned off half the street lights, closed the libraries (along with the adult education classes that used to be held there), stopped services like pest control, the scheme that used to remove large items of household furniture and white goods for a nominal fee, started charging for green waste removal, introduced car parking charges near every green space or shopping areas. Volunteers keep the parks tidy. I could list countless schemes and initiatives that no longer exist.

Our council has said outright that the only things that they can fund this year are emptying the bins, social care and SEN provision, plus the quarter of the council’s budget that goes on paying pension contributions. Everything else is gone.

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I agree with you totally.

But the answer to mismanaged tax spending is not to just stop paying taxes as nearly all the rich folks want. It's to better be able to involved in how they are spent.

For all the tiresome bellyaching here, nobody points out that if you get a 35% turnout in a local election it's a miracle. And because I really am a nasty old cynic, I can guarantee that a proportion of the whining here comes from people who have never bothered to engage with their local democracy. And as long as they are happy to continue in that vein, then no system will ever make them happy.

The turnout in my (very loudmouth) ward last council election was 24%. So 76% of the electorate are - by democractic philosophy - happy with the outcome.

Differentforgirls · 09/12/2025 14:20

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:19

The people who objected where the ones who enjoyed a free ride.

Something has to be done as tax payers have had enough of subsidising the takers.

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Everyone pays tax.

Differentforgirls · 09/12/2025 14:20

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:16

Why do people on benefits get exemptions? So unfair. We need a new style poll tax whereby every adult pays, no exceptions.

Because they have low income.

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:19

randomchap · 09/12/2025 14:17

Cos that worked so well last time. 🙄

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The people who objected where the ones who enjoyed a free ride.

Something has to be done as tax payers have had enough of subsidising the takers.

randomchap · 09/12/2025 14:17

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:16

Why do people on benefits get exemptions? So unfair. We need a new style poll tax whereby every adult pays, no exceptions.

Cos that worked so well last time. 🙄

Balletpoint · 09/12/2025 14:16

Why do people on benefits get exemptions? So unfair. We need a new style poll tax whereby every adult pays, no exceptions.

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