People like this should be deborted

Posted without comment on the efficacy of our “age determination” strategies

I've just read the impact on the poor victim, the child is so anxious now she is often physically sick. No one puts the victim first and foremost. How does she feel about her attackers being freed in a few years? Seems the emphasis is on the attackers not the poor child raped.

What do you mean? 🧐I am following the thread and have commented this morning on other posts on the thread. You often comment on my posts on other threads. And in this case I haven't even commented on your post, but replied to another poster. Is that not allowed?

A few minutes pretty good

And your was within one minute, which is even better!

No one who does the assessments think they're fool proof, but trying to determine age (to such a specific range) by physical characteristics is about as reliable as trying to predict criminality based on someone's skull shape. With the same undercurrents of non white races being more likely to be discriminated against. So unless you have a better option, it's what they've got.

The guidance is that if it's borderline, to assess as younger. They can only assess as over 18 if it's very clear that the young person is well over 18. I know some people won't like that, but the alternative is risking genuine children being put in adult services and not receiving the care and protection they deserve, so they have to err on the side of caution.

Yes that's exactly what I propose but I do think they should be made to serve their sentences first. Simple deportation may seem like a reward if it's in place of serving their sentence. Unless there is a guarantee that they will serve the sentence in their country of origin. But it's very expensive to keep them in UK prisons and we don't have the space. (Except when it's needed immediately for the rushed through trials of working class white men who riot outside migrant hotels, and white middle class women who say stupid things in anger on social media, obviously. Then there is suddenly and miraculously space at the drop of a hat. But not for left wing politicians who call publicly for the thoats to be cut of those very sorts of people. Their trials are not expedited in urgency, in spite of being almost identical in tone and content but with one notable difference - the ethnicity and political leanings of the intended targets of the comments. This is the reality of the criminal justice system under this government.)

We should ship foreign nationals found guilty of ALL crime that warrants a prison sentence out to somewhere cheaper to serve their time, like the Rwanda scheme but for prisons, then deport from there them afterwards. And anyone who has been granted British citizenship in, let's say the previous 5 years, should have it revoked and they should be shipped out to prison as well.

Can you Google? Just out of interest. Is there something stopping you. Why do you need me to do it for you.

And here it is.. the obligatory post. A few minutes pretty good

If we could get rid of British rapists too, that would be great. But the fact that we can't is no reason to tolerate even more rapists, especially those who are per capita far more likely to offend.

Hitchen's Razor might apply, I think.

Yes - proper tests are considered too demeaning so they just say they're under 18 if at all possible.

Going back to the deportation issue. Going by information, easily accessible to anyone, it’s unlikely for some countries eg Afghanistan.

This explains a lot. Thanks.

You could have googled by now with all these posts bloody hell 😬

I put it in ‘ ‘ to show it was taken from elsewhere not my writing.

You can now enjoy the same, look it up read what you want.

Do you mean it’s AI? You’re ‘quoting’ AI?

A lot of those asylum seeker young men have nothing to lose, completely different cultural and religious values to how women, consent and relationships work in the west. Of course there are evil and sexist western men who still don't respect women and consent despite having gone through the school system and being brought up in a western society.. could be from porn or incel websites grooming them... but the young asylum seeking men go through no real integration process, they are detained initially then left in hotels to sign on daily or weekly that they haven't absconded and that is it. They stick with others in the same boat....society is suspiscious and unwelcoming of them and instead of the harder route of trying to prove themselves and establish themselves as good and useful addition to the UK, they stick in their own alienated groups on the fringes of society, hating the UK while also desperate to stay in it.

Nevertheless, I do think it would be a huge backwards step and a great loss to British people if Human Rights are curtailed by politicians on the pretext that it's to protect against illegal immigrants. Rich politicians like Farage are not on your side either.

I have a 17 year old, I know many 17 year old boys from all nationalities. If those men are 17, I'm the fucking prime minister! 😡

It’s the summary you get when you google, have you used it lately?

I’m unsure why you’re so reticent to just say where you got this summary from. Most odd.

In all countries foreigners spend time in the jail of the country where the offience took place then get deported. Have you not heard of Brits in Thai or Dubai jail?

We have to deal with British men that do this sort of crime because this is their country of birth, we have no choice. That shouldn’t mean that we have to take in more of the same from the rest of the world. These two, seeking sanctuary in our country, repaid us by raping a poor young girl.

Why the hell should they be allowed to stay just because British born and raised men do the same? Do you think that the UK should be the dumping ground for the world’s dross? They should serve very long sentences and then be deported immediately, in my view.

How will that help? Introducing public execution for rape isn't the answer.

I actually have a theory about these asylums seeking criminals.

You don’t just get off a boat and start committing crimes. You have to be a wrongun in the first place. My theory is that many of these men are on some kind of wanted list back home. Maybe they’ve pissed someone off, maybe they have been threatened with the law or someone is after them for attacking their daughter or sister. Maybe their lives are in danger back home and their option is; get your legs broken or be killed back home, or flee to Europe.

You don’t just suddenly become a rapist or murderer. It’s built over time, and in these cases that would’ve been back home for them.

Maybe all men who rape should be deported. Irrespective of where they were born. Let’s set up a colony on some far flung island in the middle of nowhere for men who are incapable of seeing women as human beings.

@genesis92 gotta love an argument where YOU say Most normal people don’t want to …
As soon as you use that phrase you say ‘if you don’t agree with what I’m saying you are abnormal. You are other. You are different. You are less than me’
However normal is a statistical concept too. It can also mean if YOU are normal i.e. average and those who hold an alternative viewpoint are better, more evolved, more intelligent. 😁😉

They should be hung in public.