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To tell them not to bother coming for Xmas?

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WantToHibernate · 08/12/2025 07:54

We are doing Xmas dinner this year for my husbands family and my mum and brother. We have a mix of vegans, vegetarians and meat eaters so dinner menu will reflect this.

I’ve been vegan for 20 years and my daughter who is 17 has become vegan this year. My husband and other child eat meat.

My mother and brother have always disapproved of me being vegan. Over the years they’ve told me I’m wrong and will be ill. They also do stupid things like make animal noises when they eat meat which I just roll my eyes at. Now they’ve found out, whilst discussing Xmas dinner menus at our house this weekend, that my daughter has become vegan and they’ve responded as expected, telling her she’ll be ill, that she shouldn’t listen to me ‘brainwashing and bullying’ her, quizzing her on why she has become vegan, telling her she’s mad and no better than them. My daughter remained calm, said it was her decision, that I obviously haven’t bullied or brainwashed her, that she doesn’t think she’s any better than anyone else, she just wants to be vegan. When they continued were quiz her on why she has become a vegan, they called her a ‘typical preachy vegan’. She wasn’t preaching, she just answered their questions.

Things got heated as my mother started shouting. I told her that she doesn’t get to shout at my daughter in our house about this, and that if they both don’t stop the comments they can leave and not bother coming for Xmas. My brother said our mum can say what she likes and that I owed my mum an apology for saying that. My daughter left the room. My son told my mum and brother that they were out of line and went to check on my daughter. My mum and brother left.

My brother text later on to say that when they come on Xmas day they don’t want to be seated by me or my daughter. I’ve not responded as I wanted to cool down before I did, but my husband has said to just uninvited them because they’re arseholes and he’s not risking them upsetting our daughter on Xmas day. My daughter says she isn’t bothered and thinks they’re idiots.

If I uninvite them, I think that will probably be the end of my relationships with them but I think that is possibly for the best. There have been lots of problems with them over the years and I think we may be happier without them. They have had issues with other aspects of our life, choices we’ve made, my husbands family (who are all lovely) who they see as ‘snobby’, so the vegan issue is just another thing. They are ok is small doses. My other siblings have low or no contact with them and although I invited them to dinner too, they won’t come because our mother and brother are coming.

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Alliod40 · 08/12/2025 15:10

Christmas is a time for a happy family time..i would normally say please try incude your mum as you only have 1 but nah yours is horrible and you have a loving family and your siblings other than this brother so why stress with this brother and your Mum on this holiday..nah girl uninvited and go enjoy your time with people who will make you happy 🎄🎄🎅🎅

Pallisers · 08/12/2025 15:09

You handled that very well OP. I hope you have a lovely relaxed christmas day with your family and your in laws.

Goldwren1923 · 08/12/2025 15:06

Yep just uninvite them

Achangeintone · 08/12/2025 15:02

Oneborneverydecade · 08/12/2025 15:01

I really appreciate this quote. I stopped contact with my dad a year ago after he seemed unable to stop mocking me (and especially my weight) in front of my kids. I've wondered if I overreacted but this reinforces my decision.

Good on you, seriously. Good on you xx

OldGothsFadeToGrey · 08/12/2025 15:02

Fine, they can go and sit in someone else’s house then. Someone who doesn’t mind a cf!

Oneborneverydecade · 08/12/2025 15:01

Achangeintone · 08/12/2025 08:47

Again though

What the heck must your children think…. Seeing their mother so disrespected like this but sucking it up time and time again.

I wouldn’t have even allowed them near my children let alone to witness what they have

I really appreciate this quote. I stopped contact with my dad a year ago after he seemed unable to stop mocking me (and especially my weight) in front of my kids. I've wondered if I overreacted but this reinforces my decision.

LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 08/12/2025 14:53

You sound to have the food sorted for all vegans or not -and clearly you are making a huge effort to make it a good day for all.

Sadly, you just can't make everyone happy in this case.

In the end there was a clear choice - either your daughter or your mother.

Your daughter is yours to protect and she was not the one creating trouble - so you were absolutely right to choose her.

Ignore any attempt from mother/brother to 'get in' to your Christmas. Lock the gates - play the music - turn off the phones.

If they do threaten to spoil your day in any way (even just by appearing in your thoughts), just remember, you chose your daughter and look at how happy she is.

JudgeJ · 08/12/2025 14:50

We are all entitled to voice our opinions
If you believe this then you should also realise that your victim has the right to tell you that your opinion is irrelevant. I never understand why when verbally attacked about their lifestyle or choices people engage their attacker in a discussion, even an attempt to justify, it's much easier to tell them it's none of their business then to ignore all their subsequent comments, it drives them mad that they can't provoke an argument.

Achangeintone · 08/12/2025 14:50

YourAmplePlumPoster · 08/12/2025 14:45

I'm beginning to think Christmas is like weddings and funerals. It brings family feuds and petty spite to the fore.

In some families, where for years and years people have got away with jaw dropping disrespect. Until finally the children reach an age when they stand for it no longer. As in this one

WiddlinDiddlin · 08/12/2025 14:49

I really hope you texted..

'Sure, we can make sure you're not sat next to me or DD... or DH.. or anyone else for that matter - you're uninvited, so won't have to even be in the same postcode as us. Do not turn up at our house, you won't be coming in'.

VictoriousPunge · 08/12/2025 14:48

Your daughter sounds like she handled it brilliantly – she behaved with far more maturity than her grandmother, that's for sure 👑.

Berating your own granddaughter, accusing her of having a superiority complex, demanding not to have to sit near and and STILL expecting to be invited to Christmas lunch? Pathetic.

Definitely don't let those two come and spoil your Christmas.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 08/12/2025 14:45

I'm beginning to think Christmas is like weddings and funerals. It brings family feuds and petty spite to the fore.

EdithStourton · 08/12/2025 14:41

I tend to find vegans really exasperating (possibly because I knew one who was full-on beee kiiiind while being a complete bitch to her DC and her ex).

But I'm on your side in this. Your mother and brother are being childish and pathetic and behaving in a completely unnecessary fashion. They're the ones driving the wedge into the relationship, not you.

RafaFan · 08/12/2025 14:39

So your brother still wants to come to your house, to eat a meal you've cooked, but has specified he doesn't want to be seated by you or your daughter.

Stuff that. Tell them where to go.

pouletvous · 08/12/2025 14:38

Are they a bit thick? Sorry, just tell them you’re doing nut roast only this year and they may wish to make other plans

Greyhoundsmittenlady · 08/12/2025 14:30

Couldyounot · 08/12/2025 07:56

Your house
Your rules

You mum and brother need to learn about kindness and respect. We are all entitled to voice our opinions but this should always be done respectfully. Christmas is a time of joy and making happy memories with those we love and care about. I would suggest your mother and brother spend Christmas day together but not at your house.

Namechangerage · 08/12/2025 14:19

Good for you, op! You’ve done the right thing.

Tortielady · 08/12/2025 14:17

Excellent stuff OP. On some occasions, the Benthamite principle of the greatest happiness of the greatest number has to come first and feast days and festivals are among them. On the one hand, there's you, your DH, your DC, your in-laws and hopefully your other siblings with any partners and DC. On the other hand, your DM and DB, with nothing to bring to the table but spite and rancour. If they can't see that their behaviour crosses every line of good manners and decency, they should absolutely be elsewhere. Just make sure you have those electric gates of yours locked as soon as all of your invited guests are on your side of them, because boundary stompers like your DM and DB don't take kindly to being told to shove off.

blackbunny · 08/12/2025 14:15

CandyCaneKisses · 08/12/2025 08:42

Do you make a big song and dance about being vegan and remind them at every opportunity? I can’t see why it’s a constant topic of conversation.
We have various foods we don’t eat but it ta never even mentioned.

Even if you did go on and on about being vegan, that does not give them the right to be rude and disrespectful towards you and your family. All they’d have to do is steer the conversation towards other subjects and if that didn’t work they could vote with their feet.
The animal noises are particularly cruel and I think I’d be inclined to do a Mumsnet favourite response “ did you mean to be so rude?”

Janwesthall · 08/12/2025 14:13

Their behaviour is childish and totally unacceptable. Uninvite them without regret.

Acommonreader · 08/12/2025 14:12

Anyone who says they won’t sit next to YOU in YOUR house is nuts. Have a lovely Christmas without them.

Allthings · 08/12/2025 14:09

PumpkinTwistyWindToots · 08/12/2025 13:14

There are some people in the world who are so confused/offended/disgusted that other people can choose not to eat animal products that they can't resist trying to provoke a reaction and will bring it up out of nowhere to get a rise. As a lifelong vegetarian I have experienced this more times than I can count. I never bring up that I don't eat meat (even more so since I've gone vegan) unless it's relevant to the conversation and even then (for example if it's about choosing a restaurant) I am as accommodating as possible and will happily eat a plate of chips while everyone else eats meat if that's all there is on offer. Despite this I have had innumerable people try to start a 'debate' with me by being combative and frankly rude about my choices. It's like a sport for some people.

Yup, that sort of behaviour is quite common especially from acquaintances ime. Many vegans don’t mention they are vegan unless it relates to going out to eat, or say in relation to Christmas presents (to avoid being given something unsuitable), so its almost only when we have to. But so many, men especially get on their high horse in a combative and rude manner. They also fail to recognise that a burger is circle shaped, not an animal part, as are many things including coins, wagon wheels, and vegan/veggie burger (its not exclusive to a reconstituted animal product) and that they also eat plenty of vegan food on a daily basis.

Mimzy26 · 08/12/2025 14:09

Uninvite they are arseholes

SRGC15 · 08/12/2025 14:09

Only very small minded people attack others for their views/dietary choices because they feel threatened. They sound awful, uninvite them and I expect you will have a much happier Christmas meal.
I experienced a 'friend' verbally attacking me for being a vegan but I didn't give them a chance to to it a second time!

Cherrysoup · 08/12/2025 14:05

Just ensure your dd and other dc block numbers if their delightful grandma/uncle have them on there. I massively admire what you've done, OP, wish I had the guts to do similar! I wonder if your db will eventually wake up and smell the coffee?

I echo pp, expect flying monkeys/attempted visits/health crisis.

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