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To tell them not to bother coming for Xmas?

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WantToHibernate · 08/12/2025 07:54

We are doing Xmas dinner this year for my husbands family and my mum and brother. We have a mix of vegans, vegetarians and meat eaters so dinner menu will reflect this.

I’ve been vegan for 20 years and my daughter who is 17 has become vegan this year. My husband and other child eat meat.

My mother and brother have always disapproved of me being vegan. Over the years they’ve told me I’m wrong and will be ill. They also do stupid things like make animal noises when they eat meat which I just roll my eyes at. Now they’ve found out, whilst discussing Xmas dinner menus at our house this weekend, that my daughter has become vegan and they’ve responded as expected, telling her she’ll be ill, that she shouldn’t listen to me ‘brainwashing and bullying’ her, quizzing her on why she has become vegan, telling her she’s mad and no better than them. My daughter remained calm, said it was her decision, that I obviously haven’t bullied or brainwashed her, that she doesn’t think she’s any better than anyone else, she just wants to be vegan. When they continued were quiz her on why she has become a vegan, they called her a ‘typical preachy vegan’. She wasn’t preaching, she just answered their questions.

Things got heated as my mother started shouting. I told her that she doesn’t get to shout at my daughter in our house about this, and that if they both don’t stop the comments they can leave and not bother coming for Xmas. My brother said our mum can say what she likes and that I owed my mum an apology for saying that. My daughter left the room. My son told my mum and brother that they were out of line and went to check on my daughter. My mum and brother left.

My brother text later on to say that when they come on Xmas day they don’t want to be seated by me or my daughter. I’ve not responded as I wanted to cool down before I did, but my husband has said to just uninvited them because they’re arseholes and he’s not risking them upsetting our daughter on Xmas day. My daughter says she isn’t bothered and thinks they’re idiots.

If I uninvite them, I think that will probably be the end of my relationships with them but I think that is possibly for the best. There have been lots of problems with them over the years and I think we may be happier without them. They have had issues with other aspects of our life, choices we’ve made, my husbands family (who are all lovely) who they see as ‘snobby’, so the vegan issue is just another thing. They are ok is small doses. My other siblings have low or no contact with them and although I invited them to dinner too, they won’t come because our mother and brother are coming.

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ChristmasinBrighton · 08/12/2025 20:41

JoClogs · 08/12/2025 20:40

For the OP to reflect on her own behaviour too.
Looking down on her mother or acting superior around her could be contributing to her chippy and rude behaviour.

Also, she's only got one mother and who knows how long she will be around especially if she has a drinking problem.
Anyone I've ever met with a drinking problem usually has a pretty tough backstory. It's a lot easier to be pleasant when you are financially secure.

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@WantToHibernate I think your mum has found your thread!!!

JoClogs · 08/12/2025 20:40

grumpygrape · 08/12/2025 20:29

And your point is ?

For the OP to reflect on her own behaviour too.
Looking down on her mother or acting superior around her could be contributing to her chippy and rude behaviour.

Also, she's only got one mother and who knows how long she will be around especially if she has a drinking problem.
Anyone I've ever met with a drinking problem usually has a pretty tough backstory. It's a lot easier to be pleasant when you are financially secure.

grumpygrape · 08/12/2025 20:29

JoClogs · 08/12/2025 20:23

There's an element of class conflict running through your posts.
I'm assuming your mother is working-class from her attitude to veganism as this is generally seen as a middle-class fad by working-class people, particularly the older generation. It sounds like you and your older siblings have moved up the social ladder and your mother may feel you are now looking down on her - hence the chip. Did she have a hard life raising you - you don't mention your father.

And your point is ?

JoClogs · 08/12/2025 20:23

WantToHibernate · 08/12/2025 11:33

I really don’t know. If she gets drunk, it’s a possibility.

Thankfully our house is behind electric gates (something we’ve been called snobby for by them 🙄) so they couldn’t get in easily if they did turn up.

I really hope they don’t turn up as my husbands parents will be here and his mum would be very upset if they caused a scene. His parents are like the ‘perfect parents’ that everyone would want, so my mum has been very difficult for them to get their head around. When I first had to explain the situation to them years ago, I could see the horror/pity/sadness in their eyes and they probably wondered what their son had got himself involved with. 😂 I know his parents were apprehensive about my mum being here for Xmas, so now that they’re not invited, they’ll have a much better day as long as she and my brother don’t turn up.

There's an element of class conflict running through your posts.
I'm assuming your mother is working-class from her attitude to veganism as this is generally seen as a middle-class fad by working-class people, particularly the older generation. It sounds like you and your older siblings have moved up the social ladder and your mother may feel you are now looking down on her - hence the chip. Did she have a hard life raising you - you don't mention your father.

MrsChristmasHasResigned · 08/12/2025 19:50

I posted the other day about a difficult sister. It is really sad, but it is not your job to be the one who puts up and shuts up while other people say and do whatever they want. Keep the door open if you want, or dont. But from what you say, you will all be better off - perhaps your other siblings will start coming around more.

There will always people who dont understand (or dont want to understand) this and its miserable. But you and your lovely family deserve better.

Bayroot1 · 08/12/2025 19:49

They're uninvited.

See all is a good thing to click on

Knittedanimal · 08/12/2025 19:47

Same reply as the thread where the guests were complaining about the OP's dog:
Tell them to fuck off.

CaptainMyCaptain · 08/12/2025 19:39

Uninvite them

Mrssweary · 08/12/2025 19:25

wow, crazy, if you and your daughter are Vegan then that’s up to you surely, sounds like the people taking the micheal are very jealous of you. I would absolutely have a change of heart and send a txt out to say that you’re no longer doing Christmas lunch and that you are going to a restaurant instead.

WhereYouLeftIt · 08/12/2025 19:18

"My other siblings have low or no contact with them and although I invited them to dinner too, they won’t come because our mother and brother are coming."
Well maybe they're not coming now means your siblings might reconsider.

All you can do about your brother is let him know you love him and should he ever get free of your mother, you and his other siblings will be there. Maybe sow some seeds, ask him how he sees his life in five years time, does it not strike him as odd that all his siblings avoid your joint mother, why does he think that might be? Questions that might surface unexpectedly once they've been planted by you.

But he's adult now, it might be a bit of a wait and he might never get free.Sad

NatalieW1907 · 08/12/2025 19:07

Why. Bother you will have a much better time on your own. Its sounds like child's play, I would never dream of questioning someone's choice as to how they eat. Happy Xmas

Strawberry53 · 08/12/2025 18:44

Making animal noises when they are eating meat is so disrespectful and disgusting. I eat meat but my brother is veggie and I wouldn’t dream of doing this in his presence (or ever!) absolutely ditch them and let them have Christmas together!

Horses7 · 08/12/2025 18:43

Beggars belief - they are invited by you then say they won’t sit near you or daughter, what a nerve!
Say your plans have changed and you won’t be hosting Christmas this year (or ever again for them!).

They are treating you and your family appallingly - don’t be a doormat to such horrible people.

SpinningaCompass · 08/12/2025 18:27

You've done the right thing; your other relatives have had the right idea so hopefully they might join you now instead.

Life is too short.

TheEarlgreygirl · 08/12/2025 18:22

They have requested not to be seated next to you or your daughter…. This is not going to make for a nice Christmas….
I would not hesitate to un-invite them, they’ve drawn the line here and made their feelings very clear
Merry Christmas OP, I hope you & your family have a lovely time without them xx

Lilactimes · 08/12/2025 18:09

SeaDippingandLattes · 08/12/2025 16:54

I just wanted to say how lovely your children sound, to have handled the situation so maturely and to have stuck up for you politely. You have clearly broken the parenting cycle there ❤️

Yes I agree too @SeaDippingandLattes
It's hard to break that cycle but it sounds like you've definitely succeeded. They sound lovely. And you're doing the right thing following all the advice on here xx

Kimura · 08/12/2025 17:50

Imagine going to someone's house for dinner and demanding not to be sat next to them!

In the bin with them.

NongKhai · 08/12/2025 17:40

I'm vegan and both my kids are veggie. My mum can go on a bit about it but if she reacted like that she would not be invited back again.

MeridianB · 08/12/2025 17:36

They both sound like rude, attention-seeking bullies.

You've done the right thing. Don’t back down. You will be SO much happier without their nonsense.

Be ready to big grey rock the pair of them and their flying monkeys. New tricks may include a ‘sudden illness’ or hospital dash, ask designed to get you to back down and behave yourself.

longtompot · 08/12/2025 17:26

@WantToHibernate I think you have given you and your family the best Christmas present by uninviting them. No one needs people like that in their lives. Hope you all have a wonderful peaceful day🎄

NotbloodyGivingupYet · 08/12/2025 17:18

EdithStourton · 08/12/2025 14:41

I tend to find vegans really exasperating (possibly because I knew one who was full-on beee kiiiind while being a complete bitch to her DC and her ex).

But I'm on your side in this. Your mother and brother are being childish and pathetic and behaving in a completely unnecessary fashion. They're the ones driving the wedge into the relationship, not you.

Yeah, I know a complete bitch who drives a white car. So I find it really hard to like drivers of white cars.
(I may have made some of this up) 😏

Tigger18 · 08/12/2025 17:16

Err they expect you to cook and host them whilst refusing to speak or sit next to you, I don't bloody well think so. Listen to DH on this one 💐

Coconutter24 · 08/12/2025 17:11

They want you to prepare and cook a Christmas dinner for them but will not sit next to you?!?! Yeh, they’d be uninvited to my house

sprigatito · 08/12/2025 17:07

Fdsew · 08/12/2025 13:58

Yes!
A huge parenting mistake for a child to be put in the position of having to defend his sibling against abusive relatives.
Unbelievable really.
So toxic.

I disagree. It sounds like they are older children/teens, and he wasn’t “forced” to defend his sister. He chose to, which speaks very well to his character. It doesn’t need to be a stick to beat OP with - in fact it’s to her credit that she has brought up loyal, compassionate kids with the confidence to assert themselves.

SeaDippingandLattes · 08/12/2025 16:54

I just wanted to say how lovely your children sound, to have handled the situation so maturely and to have stuck up for you politely. You have clearly broken the parenting cycle there ❤️