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To tell them not to bother coming for Xmas?

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WantToHibernate · 08/12/2025 07:54

We are doing Xmas dinner this year for my husbands family and my mum and brother. We have a mix of vegans, vegetarians and meat eaters so dinner menu will reflect this.

I’ve been vegan for 20 years and my daughter who is 17 has become vegan this year. My husband and other child eat meat.

My mother and brother have always disapproved of me being vegan. Over the years they’ve told me I’m wrong and will be ill. They also do stupid things like make animal noises when they eat meat which I just roll my eyes at. Now they’ve found out, whilst discussing Xmas dinner menus at our house this weekend, that my daughter has become vegan and they’ve responded as expected, telling her she’ll be ill, that she shouldn’t listen to me ‘brainwashing and bullying’ her, quizzing her on why she has become vegan, telling her she’s mad and no better than them. My daughter remained calm, said it was her decision, that I obviously haven’t bullied or brainwashed her, that she doesn’t think she’s any better than anyone else, she just wants to be vegan. When they continued were quiz her on why she has become a vegan, they called her a ‘typical preachy vegan’. She wasn’t preaching, she just answered their questions.

Things got heated as my mother started shouting. I told her that she doesn’t get to shout at my daughter in our house about this, and that if they both don’t stop the comments they can leave and not bother coming for Xmas. My brother said our mum can say what she likes and that I owed my mum an apology for saying that. My daughter left the room. My son told my mum and brother that they were out of line and went to check on my daughter. My mum and brother left.

My brother text later on to say that when they come on Xmas day they don’t want to be seated by me or my daughter. I’ve not responded as I wanted to cool down before I did, but my husband has said to just uninvited them because they’re arseholes and he’s not risking them upsetting our daughter on Xmas day. My daughter says she isn’t bothered and thinks they’re idiots.

If I uninvite them, I think that will probably be the end of my relationships with them but I think that is possibly for the best. There have been lots of problems with them over the years and I think we may be happier without them. They have had issues with other aspects of our life, choices we’ve made, my husbands family (who are all lovely) who they see as ‘snobby’, so the vegan issue is just another thing. They are ok is small doses. My other siblings have low or no contact with them and although I invited them to dinner too, they won’t come because our mother and brother are coming.

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JoClogs · 09/12/2025 23:41

ChoccieCornflake · 09/12/2025 23:34

JoClogs - quit with the misogyny and general hatred of anyone that is different from you please.

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It's not misogyny to point out that virtue signalling and veganism are both predominantly female pursuits. We call out toxic masculinity all the time - it doesn't mean we hate men.

I don't "hate" anyone - calling out classism is not hatred any more than calling out racism is.

In my experience, people who accuse other people of "hate" or "hate speech" are usually not very tolerant of different perspectives which they see as "hate".

ChoccieCornflake · 09/12/2025 23:34

JoClogs - quit with the misogyny and general hatred of anyone that is different from you please.

JoClogs · 09/12/2025 23:18

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Most vegans virtue-signal constantly - it's an essential part of being vegan - moral superiority (or at least the delusion of same).

That's why the overwhelming majority of vegans in the UK are middle-class and female. OP's house reflects the gender divide in veganism. Her husband and son have more sense.

https://www.nonstampcollecting.com/post/why-vegans-are-better-than-me

Why Vegans Are Better Than Me

Vegans are, quite unequivocally, better than me. This isn’t just a casual observation—oh no! They tell me this frequently and loudly—so hold your sausage as we dive into the virtues of virtue signaling, veganism, and the existential dread of my non-pla...

https://www.nonstampcollecting.com/post/why-vegans-are-better-than-me

JoClogs · 09/12/2025 23:05

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Isinglass20 · 09/12/2025 22:16

I can see OPs concern for her young brother. He was no doubt ordered to ring up and tell OP she can’t speak to their mother in that manner.

It’s a difficult decision and OP would want to keep in touch with him to offer a route away from the abusive environment he is currently in.

I suggest one way might be to have them for Xmas day but plan to laugh and mock their attempts to disrupt the meal and say to her brother in front of everyone that he doesn’t have to put up with this and be isolated from his other siblings.

Rubyandrewsjustlovingyou · 09/12/2025 21:53

Your brother is an idiot,we don't want to sit next to you or daughter.
Oh what a joyous atmosphere that will create.
I'd be telling them in view of recent events the invitation is withdrawn.

2021x · 09/12/2025 21:48

Glad you have told them, do they always gang up on you as mummy-son activity?

Most vegans I have met or had dinner have been judgemental and preachy and don't respect others peoples choices, but i would still never behave in any of their houses in this incredibly disrespecful way.

Good for you

moderate · 09/12/2025 21:16

JoClogs · 09/12/2025 18:37

Humour appears to lacking on this thread.
Making animals noises to a virtue-signalling vegan is actually quite funny.
😂

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Self-awareness really isn't your strong suit, is it?

pinkksugarmouse · 09/12/2025 20:56

Once again you can see the ignorance of people on here talking about veganism. Churning out every cliche as per usual and sadly thinking they have come out with a profound realisation or opinion that is going to astound everyone. 🙄

I think that generally people who act this way are not comfortable with their choice to eat or wear animal products and have to disparage vegans rather than admit this even to themselves. Just get on with your lives and stop making other people's beliefs about you. Some adults still haven't learned the life lesson that not everything is about them. 🤷‍♀️

RoamingToaster · 09/12/2025 20:54

@RampantIvy I was going to ask if the poster liked Mrs Brown’s Boys too 😂 It is something in line with the “humour” on that show.

Lunde · 09/12/2025 20:45

TMMC1 · 09/12/2025 17:56

Depends upon your reasoning and explanation for choosing to be a vegan. How you have approached it historically.
how have you explained it to them?
two sides to every story, and the truth probably somewhere in the middle.

Why does anyone have to explain their choice of what to eat? Anymore than someone would "explain" their choice to have a roast dinner. OP has been a vegan for 20 years - you would have thought her mother would be used to it.

OP was happy to cater to different dietary choices - it's only her mother/younger brother who cannot accept that OP and her DD can choose what to eat.

RampantIvy · 09/12/2025 20:34

JoClogs · 09/12/2025 18:37

Humour appears to lacking on this thread.
Making animals noises to a virtue-signalling vegan is actually quite funny.
😂

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Ah, here we have it. A twelve year old on mumsnet.

I bet you find Mrs Brown's Boys funny. Don't you?

And the vegan on this thread has not been virtue signalling in any way. In fact, I don't think you even understand what it means.

How many vegans do you know who will have meat in their homes? The OP does.

RampantIvy · 09/12/2025 20:26

TMMC1 · 09/12/2025 18:10

But OP hasn’t addressed this or managed the situation. She created it and allowed it.

I’m not taking sides, I’m stating there are two sides not just OPs

Are you reading different posts from me?

I have read nothing from the OP that indicates that she hasn't addressed or managed the situation.

You think you are playing devil's advocate and not taking sides. That's not how I see it at all. You are taking sides IMO.

I'm not vegan or vegetarian BTW.

venus7 · 09/12/2025 20:01

Merseymum1980 · 08/12/2025 08:14

They shouldnt be shouting at your daughter.
I will however say they may be genuinley worried.
My brother and my close friend were vegan , they felt great intially then both became really ill despite taking expensive supplements.
My friend caught everything going and struggled to recover she nearly died of pnemonia.
Both are loads better since stop being vegan.
If they are worried they arent great at communicating.
They still shouldnt be shouting and dictating

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Concern isn't expressed by making animal noises at the table.
Pneumonia is caught by people eating many different diets.
Much of the world follows a vegan diet.......without expensive supplements.

berightorbehappy · 09/12/2025 19:25

They have “uninvited” themselves by their weird behaviour . No way would l expect my children or myself to be sitting at a table with anyone so crass .

JoClogs · 09/12/2025 18:47

twomorecats · 09/12/2025 18:43

I don't get how it's funny. They don't eat animals so they would still be alive so it's just pointless and stupid. Maybe if they discussed how slaughterhouses work or something but the noises thing doesn't make sense enough to be funny.

It may be that meat and dairy contain essential nutrients required to maintain a sense of humour.

twomorecats · 09/12/2025 18:43

JoClogs · 09/12/2025 18:37

Humour appears to lacking on this thread.
Making animals noises to a virtue-signalling vegan is actually quite funny.
😂

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I don't get how it's funny. They don't eat animals so they would still be alive so it's just pointless and stupid. Maybe if they discussed how slaughterhouses work or something but the noises thing doesn't make sense enough to be funny.

JoClogs · 09/12/2025 18:37

moderate · 09/12/2025 11:19

But of course, the working classes could not possibly be expected to comport themselves with dignity. How could they know any better than to make animal noises? Just as well you know how best to avoid looking down on them, @JoClogs . Please, tell us more!

Humour appears to lacking on this thread.
Making animals noises to a virtue-signalling vegan is actually quite funny.
😂

Rednotdead · 09/12/2025 18:31

Let them spend a miserable, lonely Christmas on their own

thepariscrimefiles · 09/12/2025 18:15

TMMC1 · 09/12/2025 18:10

But OP hasn’t addressed this or managed the situation. She created it and allowed it.

I’m not taking sides, I’m stating there are two sides not just OPs

Of course she has managed the situation. She has told them they can't come on Christmas Day.

How has OP created the situation? Do you mean by becoming vegan, a perfectly reasonable dietary and moral choice? How would you react to being told, like OP was told by her brother, that they would still come to dinner but won't sit next to either OP (the host) or her daughter? Do you really think that is reasonable, civilised behaviour from a guest to OP's home? She has been remarkably restrained.

TMMC1 · 09/12/2025 18:10

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 09/12/2025 18:06

None of that leads a reasonable person to make animal noises to wind up a vegan.

But OP hasn’t addressed this or managed the situation. She created it and allowed it.

I’m not taking sides, I’m stating there are two sides not just OPs

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 09/12/2025 18:06

TMMC1 · 09/12/2025 18:03

Lack of understanding. Lack of knowledge. Lack of information.

None of that leads a reasonable person to make animal noises to wind up a vegan.

TMMC1 · 09/12/2025 18:03

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 09/12/2025 17:59

What reasoning would excuse their ignorant behavior, please?

Lack of understanding. Lack of knowledge. Lack of information.

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 09/12/2025 17:59

TMMC1 · 09/12/2025 17:56

Depends upon your reasoning and explanation for choosing to be a vegan. How you have approached it historically.
how have you explained it to them?
two sides to every story, and the truth probably somewhere in the middle.

What reasoning would excuse their ignorant behavior, please?

TMMC1 · 09/12/2025 17:56

Depends upon your reasoning and explanation for choosing to be a vegan. How you have approached it historically.
how have you explained it to them?
two sides to every story, and the truth probably somewhere in the middle.