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To tell them not to bother coming for Xmas?

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WantToHibernate · 08/12/2025 07:54

We are doing Xmas dinner this year for my husbands family and my mum and brother. We have a mix of vegans, vegetarians and meat eaters so dinner menu will reflect this.

I’ve been vegan for 20 years and my daughter who is 17 has become vegan this year. My husband and other child eat meat.

My mother and brother have always disapproved of me being vegan. Over the years they’ve told me I’m wrong and will be ill. They also do stupid things like make animal noises when they eat meat which I just roll my eyes at. Now they’ve found out, whilst discussing Xmas dinner menus at our house this weekend, that my daughter has become vegan and they’ve responded as expected, telling her she’ll be ill, that she shouldn’t listen to me ‘brainwashing and bullying’ her, quizzing her on why she has become vegan, telling her she’s mad and no better than them. My daughter remained calm, said it was her decision, that I obviously haven’t bullied or brainwashed her, that she doesn’t think she’s any better than anyone else, she just wants to be vegan. When they continued were quiz her on why she has become a vegan, they called her a ‘typical preachy vegan’. She wasn’t preaching, she just answered their questions.

Things got heated as my mother started shouting. I told her that she doesn’t get to shout at my daughter in our house about this, and that if they both don’t stop the comments they can leave and not bother coming for Xmas. My brother said our mum can say what she likes and that I owed my mum an apology for saying that. My daughter left the room. My son told my mum and brother that they were out of line and went to check on my daughter. My mum and brother left.

My brother text later on to say that when they come on Xmas day they don’t want to be seated by me or my daughter. I’ve not responded as I wanted to cool down before I did, but my husband has said to just uninvited them because they’re arseholes and he’s not risking them upsetting our daughter on Xmas day. My daughter says she isn’t bothered and thinks they’re idiots.

If I uninvite them, I think that will probably be the end of my relationships with them but I think that is possibly for the best. There have been lots of problems with them over the years and I think we may be happier without them. They have had issues with other aspects of our life, choices we’ve made, my husbands family (who are all lovely) who they see as ‘snobby’, so the vegan issue is just another thing. They are ok is small doses. My other siblings have low or no contact with them and although I invited them to dinner too, they won’t come because our mother and brother are coming.

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Artsyjojo · 08/12/2025 14:04

What bizarre behaviour by two grown adults. So childish to ridicule your daughter like that. I think you will be better off without them in your lives henceforth.

grumpygrape · 08/12/2025 14:04

WantToHibernate · 08/12/2025 11:33

I really don’t know. If she gets drunk, it’s a possibility.

Thankfully our house is behind electric gates (something we’ve been called snobby for by them 🙄) so they couldn’t get in easily if they did turn up.

I really hope they don’t turn up as my husbands parents will be here and his mum would be very upset if they caused a scene. His parents are like the ‘perfect parents’ that everyone would want, so my mum has been very difficult for them to get their head around. When I first had to explain the situation to them years ago, I could see the horror/pity/sadness in their eyes and they probably wondered what their son had got himself involved with. 😂 I know his parents were apprehensive about my mum being here for Xmas, so now that they’re not invited, they’ll have a much better day as long as she and my brother don’t turn up.

OP, Duty, Obligation and Guilt are difficult to cast aside but sometimes you just have to weigh up what makes you, and the people you genuinely love, happier.
Maybe your older brother can get through to your younger brother and you can connect again and help him cut the umbilical/apron strings.

Pipsquiggle · 08/12/2025 14:03

Glad you have rescinded your invitation.
They sound awful.
I am sure you will get a horrible reply from them with a big dose of darvo in there so be prepared for that

Tortielady · 08/12/2025 14:02

usedtobeaylis · 08/12/2025 11:08

Hilarious that at a time of year when all anyone talks about is food and turkeys, that a few posters have implied that maybe it's you talking a lot about being vegan 😅

Edited

And alcohol, chocolate, mince pies and of course cheese and I say that as someone who loves cheese so much that if there was a religion devoted to it, I'd sign up 😋🧀 But it's all the fault of the brazils, the pistachios, the almonds, the macademias etc...😁

Fdsew · 08/12/2025 13:58

Achangeintone · 08/12/2025 13:54

My son told my mum and brother that they were out of line and went to check on my daughter. My mum and brother left.

you poor son having to step in instead of his parents to stand up to his awful grandmother.

how old is your DD and DS @WantToHibernate ?

Yes!
A huge parenting mistake for a child to be put in the position of having to defend his sibling against abusive relatives.
Unbelievable really.
So toxic.

middleeasternpromise · 08/12/2025 13:58

From what you say its not about being vegan or not being vegan, its about feeling inadequate for some reason and attacking others for the imagined slight. Sometimes you can maintain a relationship particularly where there is a more vulnerable family member in the mix like a younger sibling, but there needs to be boundaries otherwise the balance could tip. It sounds like this was a tipping point. I wonder if your mother knows you tolerate her for the sake of her brother and has partly wanted the escalation so she could force a choice? I am sorry you have had to deal with this for so long. Holidays and other family events do increase the stressors on relationships perhaps this is also a contributory factor. She may back down but do insist on setting limits. I would be very clear that a family gathering is exactly that, people do not come to behave unkindly to any other guest present including a daughter or granddaughter.

EmotionallyWeird · 08/12/2025 13:56

Definitely keep them uninvited, they sound horrible. Just look at how many people you've got here siding with you when traditionally MN is rather negative about vegans! I'm not a vegan myself but have never had any problem with them and I wouldn't serve dinner to this pair even though it wouldn't make any practical difference to me at all.

Achangeintone · 08/12/2025 13:54

My son told my mum and brother that they were out of line and went to check on my daughter. My mum and brother left.

you poor son having to step in instead of his parents to stand up to his awful grandmother.

how old is your DD and DS @WantToHibernate ?

ChristmasMantleStatue · 08/12/2025 13:52

Fgfgfg · 08/12/2025 13:45

It happens more often than you'd think. I once had a colleague breathe in my face and announce that she'd just eaten veal. This was an adult professional woman.

I hope you went to HR. That is disgusting and indefensible behaviour.

DH has had friends take the piss, and once when we were invited to dinner (obviously the hostess knew he was veg) the wife set up a plate of raw veg in the kitchen away from the rest of us and said announced loudly in front of the assembled guests' If you are going to be a bloody vegetarian you can sit in the ktichen and eat your bloody carrots'. Unbelievable behaviour. It's funny how some people take being a vegetarian or vegan so personally, when it is literally not about them.

IsItSnowing · 08/12/2025 13:51

WantToHibernate · 08/12/2025 08:22

I’ve been vegan for 20 years and I’m healthy. My daughter eats healthily and was vegetarian for about 8 years before she became vegan more recently.

It’s not from a place of concern, they just hate vegans and have a chip on their shoulder. My mum doesn’t eat well and has health issues due to this so she is the last person who should be lecturing anyone on their diet. She has shown many times that she doesn’t particularly care about anyone but herself so this isn’t a lovely worried grandparent expressing concern unfortunately.

It's never from a place of concern. I think it's just something toxic people can latch on to and use to be nasty.
I've been vegan for years too. Most people just accept it - I don't preach, I don't try to make them eat vegan food, I just eat what I eat.
Some people though make a huge fuss about it. Who knows why. I just avoid them. They're not nice people.

grumpygrape · 08/12/2025 13:50

EleanorReally · 08/12/2025 09:17

offer them their own separate kiddies table

At the bottom of the garden 🤔

Ilovecakey · 08/12/2025 13:48

Wow the cheek of your brother to firstly assume he is still invited to christmas dinner after that and secondly saying he doesn't want to sit near you or your daughter! He should just be grateful he is getting his dinner brought and cooked for him by someone else. I would definitely uninvite him for that, say you dont want to sit near me? Cool dont come at all, problem solved!

Greenwitchart · 08/12/2025 13:48

They sound like awful people. I would not have them in my house...

The fact that you are related to them does not mean you should have to see them if they can't show you and your family some respect.

Hadalifeonce · 08/12/2025 13:48

"Don't worry, you won't be sitting anywhere near DD or me. We have decided, for the sake of a peace day, it would be better if you are not there. Have a lovely Christmas."

Wordsmithery · 08/12/2025 13:48

OP, well done on managing really difficult family circumstances and being a good parent yourself. That's a tricky path to navigate, especially when you have a younger brother in thrall to your mother.
Now it's time to look after yourself and your own family.

750ml · 08/12/2025 13:46

Tell them to piss off. I am a life long vegetarian (and great cook, even though I say so myself) and I'd be totally uninviting them, it's not like you became vegan to spite him.

gamerchick · 08/12/2025 13:46

LBFseBrom · 08/12/2025 13:41

I don't blame you at all for wanting to uninvite them, they are just plain rude.

However I would probably make one last attempt to tell them that they have no right to question the decisions of other people, they are ill informed, extremely ill-mannered and embarrassing.

If they are prepared to keep quiet about yours and your daughter's veganism, including not making rude noises and gestures, they are welcome.

See what they say and then make your final decision.

Most of us have difficult and embarrassing relatives but this is your mum and cutting her off would be a big step for anyone.

When the majority of your kids have cut you off when why should that mother be given another chance? Just because she gave birth to you?

You reap what you sow with your kids and no, she doesn't deserve another chance just because she's the mother. With a bit of luck, the last son will see the light and leave her completely alone. Although from my experience, the youngest son tends to turn into his mother.

Fgfgfg · 08/12/2025 13:45

InSpainTheRain · 08/12/2025 08:29

Your family are ridiculous! They make animal noises when they eat meat and don't want to sit next to you or your daughter because you're vegan?! I honestly have trouble believing this as it's so strange and downright rude. But assuming it's true then of course you should uninvite them. If it breaks the relationship then I think you'd be better off as you and your DD wouldn't need to suffer them.

It happens more often than you'd think. I once had a colleague breathe in my face and announce that she'd just eaten veal. This was an adult professional woman.

LBFseBrom · 08/12/2025 13:41

I don't blame you at all for wanting to uninvite them, they are just plain rude.

However I would probably make one last attempt to tell them that they have no right to question the decisions of other people, they are ill informed, extremely ill-mannered and embarrassing.

If they are prepared to keep quiet about yours and your daughter's veganism, including not making rude noises and gestures, they are welcome.

See what they say and then make your final decision.

Most of us have difficult and embarrassing relatives but this is your mum and cutting her off would be a big step for anyone.

pinkksugarmouse · 08/12/2025 13:41

Personally I think people who have said to meet somewhere else so they can choose to eat meat are missing the point. They were rude and immature (refuse to sit beside the hosts in their own home. Grow up).
I'm vegan and my ex husband and I raised our daughter vegan. You would have thought from some peoples reactions we were feeding her vodka.
Some people interrogate you and then complain that you are going on about it. FFS we can't just live with our values.
My husband eats meat but he is respectful. He doesn't cook meat in the house though we have had words about him not wiping surfaces after preparing ham sandwiches.
The problem isn't you being vegan. If it wasn't this they would find something else to stir about. I have had to go no contact with some family members and believe me it's worth it. You don't have to put up with horrible behaviour from people just because they are related through blood or marriage.
Think about dropping them as dropping a massive weight off your shoulders and your daughters. You are setting her a good example for her to set boundaries and not put up with spiteful, nasty behaviour.

ChristmasMantleStatue · 08/12/2025 13:38

I'm really pleased you have binned them OP. I mentioned my mother's toxic family upthread. Basically what you have just displayed to your daughter is that you have her back, and her well-being comes first in the face of awful toxicity. She'll remember that. I am 52 and never really forgiven my mother throwing my father, my sister and I under the bus to appease her god-awful mother and sisters. She's actually apologised to us about it (this very year as it happens) and I've told her I understand- and i DO understand how enmeshed she was with her birth family- bit I can't get over the literally decades of misery we were put through all in the name of appeasement.

gamerchick · 08/12/2025 13:38

I wonder who the 1% are who think you're BU..

You've done the right thing. Enjoy your Christmas.

viques · 08/12/2025 13:37

Dear Bro, After a moments consideration I have solved the seating problem to suit everybody . Hope you and Mum enjoy cooking and eating your Christmas dinner at home. We do have some presents for you, let me know a day/ time when they can be dropped off.

gamerchick · 08/12/2025 13:25

Sounds like binning them off with make your life better OP.

Have the row. It'll feel weird for a bit but it sounds as if you'll be better for it.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 08/12/2025 13:24

Book the local pub where they all pick their own menu. You can have the veggie options.

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