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Warning - child abuse. To not understand why this woman is not the social pariah she should be?

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Decemberweeds · 07/12/2025 14:15

Started reading an article in a magazine about home and Christmas when I realised it was written by India Knight. Presumably PR for the new lifestyle book she’s written called ‘Home’.

India Knight shares a home with convicted sex offender Eric Joyce, who was found guilty in 2015 possessing films showing the sexual abuse of children as young as 12 months old. Babies. The film was classified as “Category A” (the most serious category for indecent images of children), meaning it involved penetrative sexual abuse of very young children. Yet she is still with him. At the time of his conviction she had a daughter age around 11.

Why the fuck would anyone want to read a book about home written by someone who CHOOSES to share their home with a man who likes watching babies being sexually abused? Why is someone like her given any air time at all? Completely get that she was probably unaware of her partners perversions and not judging her for that but completely judging her for staying especially as the mother of a young girl herself.

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Bringemout · 07/12/2025 16:16

She’s not responsible for his behaviour but she is responsible for who she chooses to associate with.

AnnaQuayInTheUk · 07/12/2025 16:13

Trees6 · 07/12/2025 14:25

Are they definitely still together? Did she make a statement at the time?

Yes they are still together. They live near me although their house is currently on the market. At his court case his lawyer made a big thing about how the love of a good woman (IK) meant he could turn his life around blah blah blah.

Her daughter had to go and live with her dad as Joyce is on the Sex Offenders Register and isn't allowed contact with children. So IK stuck with him and her daughter had to move out.

Youdontseehow · 07/12/2025 15:36

BeardofHagrid · 07/12/2025 15:04

I used to read her columns in the Sunday Times all the time and I used to enjoy her writing. I stopped years ago when I found out about her being with that monster. There were often hints of something really strange or unsettling in her pieces while also being unbearably smug at times. In fact there is something pretty odd about the whole Times operation, though I can’t pinpoint exactly what. A lot of their articles are utter garbage and full of factual inaccuracies.

Hard agree. I used to love the Sunday Times and particularly the magazine but it changed a good few years back and it’s not as good. That and the vile Joyce - just totally repulsive.

friendlyflicka · 07/12/2025 15:34

I completely agree. She was a recent contributor to an article about successful couples in The Sunday Times. Her make up columns pick some random product and declare it life changing.

I was in a quiet pub about 3 years ago at lunchtime at the same time as them. He had the most obnoxious loud manner and she was laughing at his judgmental comments. They were completely overpowering.

Purplevelvets · 07/12/2025 15:24

I don't understand why she keeps getting work either. I used to enjoy her makeup colums years ago, but they weren't better than dozens of other writers.

PInkyStarfish · 07/12/2025 15:20

Five years ago - ( it was not a one off image, he had repeatedly searched for child pornography)

Why has the media said so little about the Eric Joyce case after he was convicted but not jailed for having Category A (the most serious) child sex abuse imagery?

Former Labour MP Eric Joyce who quit the party after drunkenly headbutting a Tory MP in 2012, had a 51-second film involving several children aged between 12 months and seven years old. It was classed as Category A – the most serious level for indecent images of children which involves either sex, sadism or animals.
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The court heard the category A film was accessed by Joyce between August 2013 and November 2018. It featured what appeared to be seven different children, aged between 12 months and seven years.
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Joyce resigned from the army under threat of discharge in 1999 at the rank of major after being found to have broken Queen's Regulations.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Joyce

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Joyce, who has a string of convictions, admitted searching for child abuse images on the internet. Ipswich Crown Court heard that he claimed the vile footage arrived on his computer in a spam email. He was given a suspended sentence.
www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-suffolk-53694012

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His first arrest as an MP was in 2010 for failing to provide a breath test when he was stopped by the police. He was fined £400 and banned from driving for a year. Joyce resigned his front bench post after the conviction.
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Joyce was arrested in 2012 at Westminster after attacking six MPs in the parliament's bar. He was fined £3,000. No jail. Given tag as part of his community order.
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In August 2012, Joyce was back in court after using scissors on 4 July 2012 to remove the electronic tag. Fined £600.
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After the infamous February 2012 brawl, it emerged that Joyce had been in a relationship with a 17-year-old party volunteer, Meg Lauder, in the run-up to the 2010 election campaign. She visited his flat, had overnight stays without her parents’ knowledge, and claimed they had a sexual relationship.
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In 2013 he was arrested for another Westminster scuffle but wasn’t charged.
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In 2015, he was convicted of attacking a 14 and 15-year-old in an unprovoked attack. His partner, Sunday Times columnist India Knight took to Twiiter to defend him and claimed the kids tried to intimidate the former Black Watch military man.
www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/crime-court/former-mp-eric-joyce-convicted-of-attacking-teenagers-in-chalk-farm-1-4057882

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/01/eric-joyce-found-guilty-of-assaulting-two-boys-in-north-london-shop-mp

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Joyce has had a long relationship with the columnist, which started after the 2010 election. Joyce and Knight had been due to marry, but she disappeared from social media recently.
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Knight said on her return to Twitter in August: ‘Back now. Quickly want to say that whatever happened happened nearly two years ago. It was horrible for it to become public last week, but I have had two years’ worth of incredible help and support, and am fine.
‘I just felt ashamed, but then really – why should I? So. Onwards.”

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The Times has yet to face up to the fact that its major columnist was used as a 'mitigating factor' when sentencing Joyce (see below for details) for possessing the Category A child sexual abuse imagery.
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Knight's former step-father is on the board of News UK.
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String of serious convictions, no jail time, little media interest. Hmm...
Edit: adding this to avoid repeating again in comments

Joyce was arrested in November 2018 over the child abuse video, and police then discovered evidence to suggest he had made other searches for indecent images of children online.
The judge said the background material found by police showed downloading the clip was not an “isolated incident” but “part of a pattern”.
He said police found around 2000 "peer to peer files indicative of downloading or looking at images of child abuse”, dating back to June 2014.
www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/eric-joyce-suspended-sentence-former-labour-mp-a4519216.html

Edit 2:

Mark Shelley, representing Joyce today, told the court: “The pre-sentence report gives his background, his time in the army, time as an MP, then something happened and it all imploded. “A clever, hard-working man, taken to drink, and his life is destroyed by behaviour you have seen in his previous convictions.
“Since that time, he has given up drinking, found a partner that he loves, she loves him and they have made a life together.”
www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/eric-joyce-suspended-sentence-former-labour-mp-a4519216.html

Sentencing on Friday, Mr Justice Edis said: “You have pleaded guilty to an offence which involves the possession of a category A film of a little less than a minute’s duration.
“That film showed the penetrative sexual abuse of very young children. That these acts of abuse happened is because there are people like you who want to watch these films. If there was no market, those children wouldn’t be subjected to these very serious offences.”
The judge added: “You have sought help from people well able to provide it and there’s evidence before the court that that has had an effect on helping you reduce, perhaps completely, your impulsive behaviour, and that’s happened over a significant period due to the delay in these proceedings.”
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/07/ex-labour-mp-eric-joyce-gets-suspended-jail-sentence-over-child-abuse-image

Stopbringingmicehome · 07/12/2025 15:14

What an eye opener , that was written back in 2020 when I had no idea what damage stonewall and others were doing.

tramtracks · 07/12/2025 15:10

WilfredsPies · 07/12/2025 15:05

@tramtracks Please don’t call it CP. That implies consent and is incredibly hurtful to victims. It’s images of CSA.

Thank you. I didn’t realise the implication.

WilfredsPies · 07/12/2025 15:05

@tramtracks Please don’t call it CP. That implies consent and is incredibly hurtful to victims. It’s images of CSA.

BeardofHagrid · 07/12/2025 15:04

I used to read her columns in the Sunday Times all the time and I used to enjoy her writing. I stopped years ago when I found out about her being with that monster. There were often hints of something really strange or unsettling in her pieces while also being unbearably smug at times. In fact there is something pretty odd about the whole Times operation, though I can’t pinpoint exactly what. A lot of their articles are utter garbage and full of factual inaccuracies.

TooBigForMyBoots · 07/12/2025 15:01

FateAmenableToChange · 07/12/2025 14:53

Birds of a feather I suppose.

That was my thought too.🤔

PlazaAthenee · 07/12/2025 14:53

Because she's wealthy and has family links to the press.

I agree that he's probably a total asshole to her.

FateAmenableToChange · 07/12/2025 14:53

Birds of a feather I suppose.

AmyDuPlantier · 07/12/2025 14:50

DeathBanana · 07/12/2025 14:42

He’s a violent thug as well as an abuser of children. India is incredibly well connected. Although I’d like to believe she is coerced and scared to leave I find it very difficult.

  • House of Commons bar brawl (2012): Joyce pleaded guilty to four counts of common assault after a drunken fracas in the Strangers' Bar. He headbutted Conservative MP Stuart Andrew and punched Labour whip Phil Wilson and two Tory councillors, Luke Mackenzie and Ben Maney. Witnesses said he was singing loudly and lashed out, declaring there were "too many f*ing Tories in here".
  • Shop incident (2014): Joyce was found guilty of an "unjustified and unprovoked" assault on two teenage boys in a shop. He knocked one teenager to the floor and elbowed the other, telling the boy on the floor he was going to "assault" him. He claimed he was attempting a citizen's arrest.
  • Edinburgh Airport (2013):He pleaded guilty to a charge of breach of the peace after being "threatening and abusive" to airport staff and police when he was not allowed to retrieve a mislaid phone from a plane.

Given the type of man he clearly is, the chances of her not being abused by him are probably incredibly low.

tramtracks · 07/12/2025 14:50

IK’s father is Andrew Knight. Ex Chair of News Corporation, ex chair of Times Newspapers etc etc. Was a right hand man to Rupert Murdoch.

It ‘could’ be a reason why the press coverage of Eric Joyce is v subdued.

He has had difficulties with drink etc but I just don’t see that as being justifiable for accessing child pornography using software to try and hide this.

That and multiple convictions/incidents involving violence/headbutting MPs, teenagers and aggression towards police.

Sounds utterly charming.

Ponoka7 · 07/12/2025 14:49

The monied class don't give a shit about pedophilia and trafficking. They become horrified at a WC or person of colour joining the ranks, but a bit of child abuse is forgivable. Let's stop pretending otherwise. The house of Lords is quite scummy.

Tinselisthestrategy · 07/12/2025 14:49

YANBU, I can never quite believe she still has her columns, wittering away being jolly hockey sticks about everything. It tells you everything you need to know about the moral compass of the media; money and connections talk. I didn't know that her daughter had to go and live with her dad so that she could stay with the paedophile. Sickening, I'm glad the daughter was kept as safe as possible though.

Elle771 · 07/12/2025 14:47

Had to Google her but sounds vile hope she sells absolutely nothing

Glowingup · 07/12/2025 14:47

YANBU. Really grim but I know of someone who did similar. She married and had a baby with someone convicted for the most serious category of producing images of child sexual abuse. She stayed with him and I doubt very much her middle class friends knew of her DH’s background. They are now divorced but she was with him for years following his conviction. Some women are truly desperate.

Elsvieta · 07/12/2025 14:43

SparklyRedZebra · 07/12/2025 14:20

Couldn’t agree more OP. Watch this thread magically disappear though, it’s a topic that can’t be spoken about here. Money obviously talks.

Don't think that's true - there's been a thread on her before and it's still up.

Itiswhysofew · 07/12/2025 14:42

Theyre still together.

He's been arrested numerous times. Done for violently attacking other MPs. Done for driving over the limit. As well as the video of child abuse he said he'd been sent, he did admit to searching for images online as well. I believe he had a relationship with a 17 year old girl.

Why is she with him? How does she reconcile that?

DeathBanana · 07/12/2025 14:42

He’s a violent thug as well as an abuser of children. India is incredibly well connected. Although I’d like to believe she is coerced and scared to leave I find it very difficult.

  • House of Commons bar brawl (2012): Joyce pleaded guilty to four counts of common assault after a drunken fracas in the Strangers' Bar. He headbutted Conservative MP Stuart Andrew and punched Labour whip Phil Wilson and two Tory councillors, Luke Mackenzie and Ben Maney. Witnesses said he was singing loudly and lashed out, declaring there were "too many f*ing Tories in here".
  • Shop incident (2014): Joyce was found guilty of an "unjustified and unprovoked" assault on two teenage boys in a shop. He knocked one teenager to the floor and elbowed the other, telling the boy on the floor he was going to "assault" him. He claimed he was attempting a citizen's arrest.
  • Edinburgh Airport (2013):He pleaded guilty to a charge of breach of the peace after being "threatening and abusive" to airport staff and police when he was not allowed to retrieve a mislaid phone from a plane.
Simonjt · 07/12/2025 14:41

A surprising number of people don’t seem to be bothered about CSA unless it involves their own children and the abuser isn’t a family member. So sadly it doesn’t surprise me.

Elsvieta · 07/12/2025 14:41

MincePudding · 07/12/2025 14:21

Yanbu. I got rid of her books because it made me think of him and child abuse which wasn't very jolly.

I also have the ick for sentences like: "you would just eat it, no?"

Because one of her books used it a lot and i can't disassociate from it. I know that's a me problem but even so. How you could ever want to move past what he did is beyond me.

It'll no doubt come back to haunt her when her daughter has a kid and she feels repulsed by her mother's poor judgement because I think even putting aside access to a grandchild, she will come to judge her mother so harshly that their relationship will breakdown.

She's said her daughter won't be able to have children, due to her disabilities. The two sons might though...

She's still at the Times because her stepfather's something high up there.

She's been mentioning her partner quite a lot lately, so presumably still with him.