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OnceMoreIntoTheBreachDearFriends · 06/12/2025 15:19

Let me preface by saying I've got ASD and rejection sensitivity is a huge thing for me, as well as needing plans to be as concrete as possible and not changed.

So for context I've known my friend about 3-4 years, she has a beauty business and I started off just as a client. We tend to just catch up before/after appointments with a coffee or occasionally over the phone, but rarely go out together. However I was also the only friend who didn't flake on her 30th birthday night out (this is important). She's often really flaky with plans full stop (not just with me).

It was my 40th celebration last week and her babysitter let her down on the day. She managed to arrange another sitter who could only come later and said she would meet us at the venue (luckily it was a big group). Not only did she not turn up but she didn't message to let me know. I got a message on the night so say her and her ex (replacement babysitter) had had a huge row and he left - she claimed to have written a text but forgotten to press send - I can only give her the benefit of the doubt on this one.

So I saw her yesterday and to make up for last week she offered to take me for a meal at 6pm today - I booked a table. She was on a Christmas do last night but promised she wouldn't be out late, and we discussed outfits for tonight, etc.

I've text her and now tried to call and no response, so have cancelled the table. I really feel like giving her a piece of my mind but I don't want to lose one of the few friendships I have. She's also booked on a group holiday for my birthday too so not sure how that will pan out...

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viques · 06/12/2025 17:52

To be honest, it doesn’t sound like a very committed friendship on her part, as you say you tend to “meet up for a coffee” when you have an appointment at her business. You seem to think not letting her down on her birthday gives you some sort of superior friendship badge. She didn’t come to your birthday ( with good reason) but other people did, she did try to contact you, though you seem to think she is lying. Now you are stamping your foot, cancelling the restaurant and behaving like a little Princess because on a busy day of the week for someone in her business , she hasn’t had time to respond to your messages. I think either you accept that you are not in her closest circle, or you make more effort to meet up and become more of a friend.

OnceMoreIntoTheBreachDearFriends · 06/12/2025 17:41

Imtornanddontknowwhattodo · 06/12/2025 17:30

It is a shame she hasn't answered or messaged to let you know what's happening by now, just to confirm. Most businesses are open until 17.30 or 18.00 so maybe she's been hectic until now. I'd leave it another half an hour to an hour for a reply. If not, then you did the right thing cancelling. If you hear then you could still go.

She's not working today

@MerryGuide absolutely not - those things fill me with absolute dread

@Prisonbreak want to try living it? I cope massively well with the rest of my ASD but a lifetime of actual (not perceived) rejection will kind of leave a lasting impression

@Pineapplewaves did you miss the bit where she was coming to my 40th (which she had paid £90 for) and is coming away with my family and friends next year?

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Pineapplewaves · 06/12/2025 17:36

You don’t sound like friends to me - she has a beauty business and you usually have a coffee or a chat before or after your appointments with her, that just sounds like she’s being nice to a client to make sure they return. It doesn’t sound like she really wants to go out with you and she’s just stringing you along to keep your custom. You’ve know each other for 3/4 years but rarely go out says it all.

I would find another beauty salon and stop contacting her.

Prisonbreak · 06/12/2025 17:36

Rejection sensitivity is the biggest load of nonsense

MerryGuide · 06/12/2025 17:33

Are you the online meet up group lady?

Imtornanddontknowwhattodo · 06/12/2025 17:30

It is a shame she hasn't answered or messaged to let you know what's happening by now, just to confirm. Most businesses are open until 17.30 or 18.00 so maybe she's been hectic until now. I'd leave it another half an hour to an hour for a reply. If not, then you did the right thing cancelling. If you hear then you could still go.

BessMarvin · 06/12/2025 17:29

The friend sounds like they have a history of being unreliable. Not being able to respond all day when you're supposed to be meeting up is really unhelpful. I totally understand where you're coming from. I think you should avoid arranging anything where it's just you and her or you'll just be let down.

The person who said you were nasty is completely wrong. But I also think they are the same person who called someone in their 30s a "young person" which is bizarre.

OnceMoreIntoTheBreachDearFriends · 06/12/2025 17:25

Fantomfartflinger · 06/12/2025 17:14

She has not been in touch yet op?

Not a peep - I tried calling again and still no answer. I've also asked one of our mutual friends if they'd heard from her just in case something did happen last night!

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Fantomfartflinger · 06/12/2025 17:14

She has not been in touch yet op?

pictoosh · 06/12/2025 17:14

Ach I dunno, maybe you were a bit quick off the mark to cancel the table but actually your instincts are correct and she's a no-show as you assumed.

Yeah I'd be put out by this.

OnceMoreIntoTheBreachDearFriends · 06/12/2025 17:13

SunnySideDeepDown · 06/12/2025 17:08

I’ve got a SIL who’s a massive flake and I know what it’s like. I love her, and know it’s about her rather than me, but it’s definitely affected our relationship, I no longer make plans with her unless it’s something we have to pay for in advance.

Flaking on someone a few times a year is normal, shit happens. But when it because more often than not, it becomes a problem and it’s unkind. Especially when she missed your birthday and was supposed to be making it up to you.

I think you cancelled the table because your instinct knows she’s cancelling. YANBU - have you ever asked her why she cancels the plans so often? Perhaps she thinks you don’t care or notice it. She needs to stop making plans when deep down she has no intention of following through.

Thank you, normally I just let it slide because plans never seem totally concrete as in oh do you fancy doing x next week - but no plans actually made, unlike having booked a table this time. It's also made worse since like you say it was meant to be making up for last week's no-show. It's more the issue with lack of communication - I've ordered a takeaway and wine now and I'm happy to stay home but would have preferred to know that much earlier today (also had my hair done but that will last I guess).

I'm a lot of a people pleaser at the best of times so find it hard to bring up stuff like this...

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SunnySideDeepDown · 06/12/2025 17:08

I’ve got a SIL who’s a massive flake and I know what it’s like. I love her, and know it’s about her rather than me, but it’s definitely affected our relationship, I no longer make plans with her unless it’s something we have to pay for in advance.

Flaking on someone a few times a year is normal, shit happens. But when it because more often than not, it becomes a problem and it’s unkind. Especially when she missed your birthday and was supposed to be making it up to you.

I think you cancelled the table because your instinct knows she’s cancelling. YANBU - have you ever asked her why she cancels the plans so often? Perhaps she thinks you don’t care or notice it. She needs to stop making plans when deep down she has no intention of following through.

OnceMoreIntoTheBreachDearFriends · 06/12/2025 17:08

Whentosayitsover · 06/12/2025 17:05

You ask her when she tells you about the argument. She told you why she didn’t text you and that was your chance to ask her if everything was okay. Did you do that?

Yes I did, I asked what happened and if she was ok - she didn't reply. That was the last I heard until I saw her yesterday

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Andromed1 · 06/12/2025 17:08

I feel for you OP. Why do people think it's OK to behave like this, not bothering to get in touch when they said they would, declining to firm up arrangements until , or even after, the last minute? Infuriating.
But this is what your friend is like, and the only way to be happy as her friend is to take any arrangements with a pinch of salt. If she gets in touch or turns up this evening then fine, you can decide what to do, and if necessary she can wait for you to get ready. If not, you have an evening in. She does it to everyone so there's no need to take it personally.
Happy birthday!

Whentosayitsover · 06/12/2025 17:05

OnceMoreIntoTheBreachDearFriends · 06/12/2025 16:17

How would I be able to check she was ok after the argument if she didn't let me know she wasn't coming because of the argument?

@Sprookjesbos I'm not going to sit in a restaurant alone without confirmation she is coming. We didn't make any plans other than what time the table was - my text offered to pick her up and bring her to mine so we could both get a lift from here - that hasn't been confirmed or not

You ask her when she tells you about the argument. She told you why she didn’t text you and that was your chance to ask her if everything was okay. Did you do that?

Pickleslovesourdough · 06/12/2025 16:52

I can’t believe she still hasn’t been in touch! Either she will be just before dinner or she’ll just ignore until tomorrow and apologise. I know someone like this. I’m the one that makes plans which she cancels, I send messages first and she’s never the one to initiate contact. I’ve realised where I stand and have taken a massive step back.

rainbowsandraspberrygin · 06/12/2025 16:51

StruggleFlourish · 06/12/2025 16:41

Wow, if she was THAT hungover (still asleep at 4:45 after being out last night) she might be dead!! 😵

Well hopefully not!!

OnceMoreIntoTheBreachDearFriends · 06/12/2025 16:43

@StruggleFlourish thank you! You and I sound very alike.

@LostittoBostik No she still doesn't know I cancelled, and still hasn't been in touch. I don't have kids (she has one who is with her dad all weekend) and she's not working today - I do get people are busy but I asked her plans for today and she said nothing...I would have thought if she was rushing around she would have said!

@AltitudeCheck @rainbowsandraspberrygin I totally get she might have overdone it last night (we both struggle to be sensible when out!) but by 430pm the next day surely she would have at least sent a quick message to say sorry can't make it... as I keep saying I don't mind her cancelling, it's not letting me know that's the issue!

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StruggleFlourish · 06/12/2025 16:41

rainbowsandraspberrygin · 06/12/2025 16:39

Maybe she’s really hungover and sleeping?! I hope she gets back to you OP so you know what’s happening.

Wow, if she was THAT hungover (still asleep at 4:45 after being out last night) she might be dead!! 😵

rainbowsandraspberrygin · 06/12/2025 16:40

TerrysCIockworkOrange · 06/12/2025 16:38

You come across as exceptionally rigid in your communication requirements OP and, despite having posted on a forum that is explicitly for asking the opinions of others on whether you’re being unreasonable or not, completely unwilling to hear opinions that suggest you are! What on earth was the point in posting if you’re so convinced you’re in the right?!

The OP is autistic and I expect she finds this difficult to navigate hence posting on here. I imagine she needs the reassurance that the friend will turn.

rainbowsandraspberrygin · 06/12/2025 16:39

Maybe she’s really hungover and sleeping?! I hope she gets back to you OP so you know what’s happening.

TerrysCIockworkOrange · 06/12/2025 16:38

You come across as exceptionally rigid in your communication requirements OP and, despite having posted on a forum that is explicitly for asking the opinions of others on whether you’re being unreasonable or not, completely unwilling to hear opinions that suggest you are! What on earth was the point in posting if you’re so convinced you’re in the right?!

AltitudeCheck · 06/12/2025 16:37

Perhaps she had a much later night than planned and hasn't yet felt like looking at her phone / is regretting arranging to go out again tonight?

You wouldn't be unreasonable to tell your friend that you like a degree of certainty and that you find her flakiness disrespectful or unsettling. You won't change her, but you might feel better for getting it off your chest. Perhaps she finds you a bit rigid? You do seem to be at opposite ends of the spectrum to each other, either learn to accept your differences and stay friends or decide if it's a deal breaker.

LostittoBostik · 06/12/2025 16:37

Have you got children OP? I think it’s really impossible to understand (and fairly so) what this time of year is like if you don’t, it’s highly possible the friend literally hasn’t had second to reply to a text yet and was intending to be there.w

However I would say that there has been time like this for me where I’ve messaged a friend to literally “seen your message. Will be there, will text asap” so they know I’m not flaking.

It’s now half 4 - have you told friend you’ve cancelled the table? If not and they’re still not in touch and she knew she was expecting 6pm meet then yes she’s flaking and rude.

StruggleFlourish · 06/12/2025 16:37

OP, I'm really sorry this is happening to you. I also don't have a very large social circle of friends (in fact, it's extremely small) And adult friendships are hard!

You've described your friend as being flaky and forgetful, you think that she means well, but she's done this multiple times before. She missed your big birthday, and now you've been trying to get in contact with her about having a meal and she is not answering your messages so, instead of getting ready and going to the restaurant and showing up and waiting for her and possibly either having to wait alone and then finally make that embarrassing decision to leave, or, equally difficult to order and eat alone when you're having a table for two, yeah, I totally hear you. I would hate to be put in that situation.

And yeah, stuff happens. She's her own business owner, this is a busy time of year as a hairdresser because people have parties to go to, and they often need their hair done just immediately before the party, so she might be extremely busy, she has an ex, she has other issues, okay. Adult life is messy and busy and complicated. But, you don't deserve to feel second best or third or fourth. It's not very respectful to your time or your feelings to make plans which then are not followed up on.

I wish I could join you for dinner, I would show up on time. I actually decided to let a friendship of 20+ years go because I felt like I was putting in all the effort, I was making all the plans, I was doing all the kind gestures, I was doing all the favors, I was available when they needed emergency help, I was the shoulder to cry on, and I didn't mind because to me that's all part of being a good friend, but they flaked on me too many times. Where I was left waiting and waiting, or they never got back at all, or plans were changed at the last second, lots of examples, not going to give them here, but I know what you're saying....

Try not communicating with your friend, don't reach out. And see if she reaches out to you. Be mindful that if her message is full of excuses, instead of heartfelt honest regret and apology, if she's being defensive and trying to validate her mistakes instead of immediately acknowledging the hurt she caused you, that's not a good place to start.

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