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That prayer to Jesus is inappropriate at a company party?

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Kate8889 · 06/12/2025 12:06

I went with my husband to a company Christmas party and before we started to eat a woman came to the microphone and said a short prayer in the name of Jesus as thanks/blessings for the food. Everyone was expected to bow their head.

This is the first time I've been witness to something like this, it is a secular company with many Jewish, Muslim and agnostic people. We have been going to this Christmas party for 7 years and it's never been like this.

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hihelenhi · 07/12/2025 02:24

MollyMollyMandy33 · 06/12/2025 20:11

Lots of people are ‘offended’. Very clearly so.
Yet again, I in no way feel that anyone is stopping me practicing anything. Nor do I feel that I saying a prayer in the context of a secular Christmas party is appropriate. But, if it was a person of a different Faith to me or none who had done so, I wouldn’t be complaining. I’d appreciate their words, their probable sincerity and think that they were a bit misguided in that situation. It was a room full of adults, surely people can choose not to take part and move on.
I’ve written this so many times, but my point is that it’s bonkers to be so outraged by somebody saying a few words of love and gratitude ‘to Jesus’, or anyone else. I do agree that it was misguided in a workplace situation, but people’s very clear offence and the OPs need to complain is just ridiculous. It’s the modern disease and it’s not doing anyone any favors.
Respectfully, I think you need to get a grip.

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😆 Give over, we all know it's not "respectfully" at all and no, thank you, I really don't. I really suggest you evangelicals stop projecting also, it's quite strange.

Not bringing religion or politics into a UK workplace event which will be a diverse environment is a pretty basic thing, understood by most people here. It's not really not oppression to expect people to avoid evangelising to the crowd at a work party event. With your family and friends, do feel free. (Interesting spelling of "favors" btw. Are you from the US?)

MangaKanga · 07/12/2025 02:18

I couldn't get worked up about it.

I actually think Christmas is historically somewhat jesus-related... someone will correct me if wrong

Firefly1987 · 07/12/2025 02:15

@NoKidsSendDogs True, if I remember anything from my teens when I was interested in paganism, they stole Yule AND Samhein (Halloween) and probably a bunch of others!

NoKidsSendDogs · 07/12/2025 01:12

40andlovelife · 06/12/2025 12:13

You’re right they don’t. It’s weird how those people engage in a festival dedicated to him and in honour of him.

Nah, It's weird that Christians took a pagan holiday and pagan traditions, decided jesus was born that day and called it christmas.

Most companies don't even call it a Christmas party, they call it a winter party, bc that's all it is for most, a party, in December.

NeedToKnow101 · 06/12/2025 23:46

CurlewKate · 06/12/2025 23:19

I’ve been around a long time. And never once in all that time has a “we’re not allowed to say Christmas any more” story proved to have any foundation in fact. Which is why I regard such claims with extreme scepticism. I remember my MIL complaining g that you couldn’t say Happy Christmas in Bradford while standing under a street decoration saying Happy Christmas in lights.. And if you have a lot of practising Muslims in your work force I see nothing wrong with making sure others understand about fasting. And surely sharing iftar is good thing? And cynically good for the company to get fasting people fed as soon as possible. Neither Christmas dinner nor Christmas trees are religious requirements for Christians.

I didn’t say sharing Iftar was a bad thing. I said promoting one major religious / cultural festival while ignoring another, at a supposedly secular workplace, is a bad thing. I actually don’t think it’s fair even on Muslims for an employer to promote Eid and Ramadan; why is there this pressure for Muslims to be devout and practicing, when Christians are said to ever declining (non-churchgoing for example). My workplace leadership isn’t telling Christians to go to church or give up anything for Lent, so why is it encouraging Muslims to fast? What if someone is thinking they don’t believe any more, but they feel pressure at home, and then also from their workplace to continue following that religion’s rules? I don’t think it’s right.

I don’t know why you find it hard to believe that my workplace has rebranded Christmas as a Winter Celebration, when others have said the same thing.

SouthLondonMum22 · 06/12/2025 23:37

MollyMollyMandy33 · 06/12/2025 15:31

But why are you so offended?
I would bow my head out of respect if somebody from a different faith, or none, was sharing a prayer or words. It doesn’t mean that I have to believe. Taking offense at everything is such a modern disease.
Could you not just take a little bit of pleasure in the words of love and gratitude and disregard the rest?

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I'm not offended but I would find it incredibly uncomfortable and awkward when it is supposed to be a work social event. I'd feel a bit misled.

If it was openly advertised as a religious event, not just a works party then it would be very different.

Sitting there quietly is respectful, there's no need to bow my head as well.

HildegardP · 06/12/2025 23:24

MasterBeth · 06/12/2025 19:39

"Working from Luke...". Ha!

The gospels are hardly historical records! It's all hearsay and make up, written decades after the alleged events.

sigh
Please give your mum her account back & suggest she change the password.
GCSE RE takes in response to irony are very dull.

CurlewKate · 06/12/2025 23:19

NeedToKnow101 · 06/12/2025 22:52

I’m not posting screenshots of my work emails. Why do you think it didn’t happen? Taking what I’ve said at face value, do you agree that it’s not ok?

I’ve been around a long time. And never once in all that time has a “we’re not allowed to say Christmas any more” story proved to have any foundation in fact. Which is why I regard such claims with extreme scepticism. I remember my MIL complaining g that you couldn’t say Happy Christmas in Bradford while standing under a street decoration saying Happy Christmas in lights.. And if you have a lot of practising Muslims in your work force I see nothing wrong with making sure others understand about fasting. And surely sharing iftar is good thing? And cynically good for the company to get fasting people fed as soon as possible. Neither Christmas dinner nor Christmas trees are religious requirements for Christians.

NeedToKnow101 · 06/12/2025 22:52

CurlewKate · 06/12/2025 22:36

Pictures or it didn’t happen.

I’m not posting screenshots of my work emails. Why do you think it didn’t happen? Taking what I’ve said at face value, do you agree that it’s not ok?

Poetnojo · 06/12/2025 22:47

Pusstachio · 06/12/2025 22:07

This is a good example. It’s ok to pray or drink alcohol individually at the Christmas party- standing up and telling everyone they should put down the soft drinks and also drink alcohol would be as inappropriate as trying to lead the group in prayer and assuming everyone could join in.

I’m sure encouraging people to drink alcohol also happens in some workplaces- but that doesn’t mean its ok.

Nah, in that situation it's more akin to asking someone if they'd like a pint, unless the woman insisted other people also say the prayer it's really not like trying to force someone to drink alcohol. But I take your point.

CurlewKate · 06/12/2025 22:36

NeedToKnow101 · 06/12/2025 22:34

My company (non-religious, multi-site, education sector in London) made a big deal out of Ramadan and Eid with colleagues this year. Just checked my emails and our HR director sent an email beginning, ‘As we enter the Holy month of Ramadam…(!!)’ There were video screens in the foyer and canteen with references to Eid up all month, and an Iftar organised that everyone was invited to. Fasting was referred to in a gushing way, and the Iftar described in such positive terms, ‘reflect and appreciate the values of generosity, gratitude and togetherness.’ It was called a beautiful tradition.’ Great! …If you are going to give the same attention to, and promotion of, other major religious festivals.

In contrast to this, our Christmas party has been renamed ‘Winter Celebration’ and there has not been one mention of Christmas or Christmas dinner in any email or on video screens, or staff intranet so far. There is a Christmas tree at my site, but it’s placed in a different area to usual, where it’s hardly seen. The difference is stark. A couple of weeks to go, maybe they’ll pull something out the bag but the messaging so far has no mention of Christmas at all.

i don’t think religion belongs at work at all personally (unless the organisation is about religion obviously). But to promote one religious festival / period in this way, while ignoring Christmas, whether you think of it as a religious, or merely, a cultural festival, is awful.

Pictures or it didn’t happen.

NeedToKnow101 · 06/12/2025 22:34

LilyCanna · 06/12/2025 14:23

Lots of suggestions here about what might happen at a hypothetical ‘Eid party’ or ‘Diwali party’. I would say that the reason companies have a big Christmas do but only have low-key, if any, celebration of religious festivals like Eid, even if they have a significant number of Muslim employees, is precisely that work Christmas parties are by tradition entirely secular events and therefore inclusive to all employees (except Jehovah’s Witnesses obviously!).

Religious events for the benefit of those who are of that faith and to widen cultural understanding - great as an opt-in thing, but unless it’s an explicitly Christian organisation and you sign up to that when you join, then all-company events should be secular.

My company (non-religious, multi-site, education sector in London) made a big deal out of Ramadan and Eid with colleagues this year. Just checked my emails and our HR director sent an email beginning, ‘As we enter the Holy month of Ramadam…(!!)’ There were video screens in the foyer and canteen with references to Eid up all month, and an Iftar organised that everyone was invited to. Fasting was referred to in a gushing way, and the Iftar described in such positive terms, ‘reflect and appreciate the values of generosity, gratitude and togetherness.’ It was called a beautiful tradition.’ Great! …If you are going to give the same attention to, and promotion of, other major religious festivals.

In contrast to this, our Christmas party has been renamed ‘Winter Celebration’ and there has not been one mention of Christmas or Christmas dinner in any email or on video screens, or staff intranet so far. There is a Christmas tree at my site, but it’s placed in a different area to usual, where it’s hardly seen. The difference is stark. A couple of weeks to go, maybe they’ll pull something out the bag but the messaging so far has no mention of Christmas at all.

i don’t think religion belongs at work at all personally (unless the organisation is about religion obviously). But to promote one religious festival / period in this way, while ignoring Christmas, whether you think of it as a religious, or merely, a cultural festival, is awful.

Pusstachio · 06/12/2025 22:07

Poetnojo · 06/12/2025 20:24

People keep going on about workplace etiquette, like I said, I don't know of many workplaces where drinking is allowed so I guess the rules are relaxed slightly in certain situations like at a Christmas party? Which I would argue could be seen as way more inappropriate than a quick prayer.

This is a good example. It’s ok to pray or drink alcohol individually at the Christmas party- standing up and telling everyone they should put down the soft drinks and also drink alcohol would be as inappropriate as trying to lead the group in prayer and assuming everyone could join in.

I’m sure encouraging people to drink alcohol also happens in some workplaces- but that doesn’t mean its ok.

Poetnojo · 06/12/2025 21:31

CurlewKate · 06/12/2025 21:27

No. It’s you that’s saying nobody would object to any other faith imposing prayers in this bizarre manner.

Anyone who would object to a quick prayer or blessing at a party, work or otherwise, is not a very tolerant person imo

HoppityBun · 06/12/2025 21:28

Morecoombe · 06/12/2025 20:44

‘Christ’mas. Clue’s in the name

It’s Advent

CurlewKate · 06/12/2025 21:27

Poetnojo · 06/12/2025 21:12

What the hell are you talking about, you think that woman said a prayer to get some sort of backlash?
Unless her prayer created some sort of public disorder it really shouldn't be seen as a problem. Do you think any people present of other faiths were really offended by a Christian saying a few words? That wouldn't be very tolerant now would it?
Should we not all be tolerant of other people's religion anymore?

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No. It’s you that’s saying nobody would object to any other faith imposing prayers in this bizarre manner.

Poetnojo · 06/12/2025 21:12

CurlewKate · 06/12/2025 21:01

That really is complete bollocks. Christians in the UK are so desperate to be persecuted. Which is incredibly insulting to Christians in the countries where they actually are.

What the hell are you talking about, you think that woman said a prayer to get some sort of backlash?
Unless her prayer created some sort of public disorder it really shouldn't be seen as a problem. Do you think any people present of other faiths were really offended by a Christian saying a few words? That wouldn't be very tolerant now would it?
Should we not all be tolerant of other people's religion anymore?

CurlewKate · 06/12/2025 21:01

Poetnojo · 06/12/2025 20:22

Of course it is.
If she was of any other faith this would have phobic stamped all over it.

That really is complete bollocks. Christians in the UK are so desperate to be persecuted. Which is incredibly insulting to Christians in the countries where they actually are.

HRTQueen · 06/12/2025 20:48

I can’t see the issue

no one is forced to join the prayer

Morecoombe · 06/12/2025 20:44

HoppityBun · 06/12/2025 12:19

No, a Christmas party it isn’t a celebration of the birth of Jesus! Christmas is a season and has been for hundreds of years. Anyone can be religious and devote themselves to celebrate the birth of Christ if they so wish but that’s a private matter for them. A party is a party. Currently the name that everyone uses at this time of year is “Christmas” but that doesn’t mean that they are obliged either to celebrate the birth of Christ or to hold a mass. Nor do they have to be Christian.

‘Christ’mas. Clue’s in the name

cinquanta · 06/12/2025 20:35

TWETMIRF · 06/12/2025 16:49

I think the only parts that Christianity added to existing pagan festivals were the name, nativity and the Christian/Muslim/Jewish God. Most non Christians would only use the name from that and the other aspects are not Christian origins

The origin of Christmas is the celebration of Christ’s birth. Regardless of other ceremonies/holidays/whatever that fall, or fell, on the same date. Nobody knows exactly when Christ was born. The 25th of December was probably chosen for the celebration precisely because new believers were accustomed having a knees up in the middle of winter.

Poetnojo · 06/12/2025 20:24

People keep going on about workplace etiquette, like I said, I don't know of many workplaces where drinking is allowed so I guess the rules are relaxed slightly in certain situations like at a Christmas party? Which I would argue could be seen as way more inappropriate than a quick prayer.

Poetnojo · 06/12/2025 20:22

hihelenhi · 06/12/2025 20:20

It's neither "bigoted" nor "non-inclusive" at a work event. But you already know that, and keep copying and pasting the same words. Still won't wash, I'm afraid.

Of course it is.
If she was of any other faith this would have phobic stamped all over it.

hihelenhi · 06/12/2025 20:20

Poetnojo · 06/12/2025 20:16

Not very inclusive or accepting of you is it. Quite bigoted actually

It's neither "bigoted" nor "non-inclusive" at a work event. But you already know that, and keep copying and pasting the same words. Still won't wash, I'm afraid.

hihelenhi · 06/12/2025 20:18

MollyMollyMandy33 · 06/12/2025 20:11

Lots of people are ‘offended’. Very clearly so.
Yet again, I in no way feel that anyone is stopping me practicing anything. Nor do I feel that I saying a prayer in the context of a secular Christmas party is appropriate. But, if it was a person of a different Faith to me or none who had done so, I wouldn’t be complaining. I’d appreciate their words, their probable sincerity and think that they were a bit misguided in that situation. It was a room full of adults, surely people can choose not to take part and move on.
I’ve written this so many times, but my point is that it’s bonkers to be so outraged by somebody saying a few words of love and gratitude ‘to Jesus’, or anyone else. I do agree that it was misguided in a workplace situation, but people’s very clear offence and the OPs need to complain is just ridiculous. It’s the modern disease and it’s not doing anyone any favors.
Respectfully, I think you need to get a grip.

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Nobody is "outraged", we just understand basic workplace etiquette and societal cues and that it was inappropriate in that scenario and would have made others uncomfortable. This isn't someone sat at a table offering a private prayer. This isn't someone at one of your personal family gatherings. It's someone on a microphone at a work event behaving as if her colleagues are her congregation. It has a "conversion attempt" type energy. Just no.

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