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That prayer to Jesus is inappropriate at a company party?

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Kate8889 · 06/12/2025 12:06

I went with my husband to a company Christmas party and before we started to eat a woman came to the microphone and said a short prayer in the name of Jesus as thanks/blessings for the food. Everyone was expected to bow their head.

This is the first time I've been witness to something like this, it is a secular company with many Jewish, Muslim and agnostic people. We have been going to this Christmas party for 7 years and it's never been like this.

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Poetnojo · 06/12/2025 20:16

Legomania · 06/12/2025 20:03

Yes if they started praying at people.
But, as pp said, nobody is actually this dense.

Not very inclusive or accepting of you is it. Quite bigoted actually

Poetnojo · 06/12/2025 20:13

Or do you just have a problem with her expression HER Christian beliefs?
Would you really have the same problem if someone from another faith or no fairh expressed their beliefs?

MollyMollyMandy33 · 06/12/2025 20:11

hihelenhi · 06/12/2025 19:34

Kindly, get a grip.

Nobody is "offended". Nobody is preventing you from celebrating Christmas according to your faith with your own family and friends and community. We are talking about a workplace party, which means basic workplace etiquette applies here, and understanding that it is never going to be appropriate to try to impose religious beliefs on your colleagues, as this woman, who was on a microphone doing so, so it wasn't a private thing, did. Again, a prayer, or "saying Grace" is always going to be inappropriate in a work situation with colleagues who are unlikely to share your beliefs unless your workplace is a religious school or a church/place of worship. Are you so intolerant yourself that you can't accept or understand that or why it would be considered an imposition in that scenario?

Lots of people are ‘offended’. Very clearly so.
Yet again, I in no way feel that anyone is stopping me practicing anything. Nor do I feel that I saying a prayer in the context of a secular Christmas party is appropriate. But, if it was a person of a different Faith to me or none who had done so, I wouldn’t be complaining. I’d appreciate their words, their probable sincerity and think that they were a bit misguided in that situation. It was a room full of adults, surely people can choose not to take part and move on.
I’ve written this so many times, but my point is that it’s bonkers to be so outraged by somebody saying a few words of love and gratitude ‘to Jesus’, or anyone else. I do agree that it was misguided in a workplace situation, but people’s very clear offence and the OPs need to complain is just ridiculous. It’s the modern disease and it’s not doing anyone any favors.
Respectfully, I think you need to get a grip.

Poetnojo · 06/12/2025 20:09

So if she says a few words about Jesus she's ramming her beliefs down your throat and insisting everyone partake but if she's saying a few words about someone else you're not fond of she's not ramming her beliefs down your throat? Just expressing HER beliefs.

Millytante · 06/12/2025 20:03

Poetnojo · 06/12/2025 19:45

If Mavis got on the microphone and raised a glass an toasted a work colleague that I didn't particularly like or wasnt particularly popular, would that also be seen as expecting everyone to share her beliefs or just allowing someone to share how she feels?

No, it would not. As you know.

Legomania · 06/12/2025 20:03

Poetnojo · 06/12/2025 19:47

Would you be so bigoted to complain is someone in your workplace said a few words to celebrate Eid?

Yes if they started praying at people.
But, as pp said, nobody is actually this dense.

Millytante · 06/12/2025 19:53

hihelenhi · 06/12/2025 19:51

I thought they were all watching BBC then switched to ITV...? No? They did in my school's version, anyway. 😊

My god, I’d forgotten that version! 😆

Millytante · 06/12/2025 19:51

Ecrire · 06/12/2025 19:45

Erm I think it’s “watching their flocks” not “washing their socks”.

No! Well, fancy that, eh?
🙄

hihelenhi · 06/12/2025 19:51

Millytante · 06/12/2025 19:44

But it must have been Winter, because the shepherds were washing their socks by night, though they lived in a sunny Mediterranean country! 🤔

I thought they were all watching BBC then switched to ITV...? No? They did in my school's version, anyway. 😊

hihelenhi · 06/12/2025 19:49

Poetnojo · 06/12/2025 19:45

If Mavis got on the microphone and raised a glass an toasted a work colleague that I didn't particularly like or wasnt particularly popular, would that also be seen as expecting everyone to share her beliefs or just allowing someone to share how she feels?

Of course it wouldn't. But it also wouldn't be considered a no-no that most working adults understand.

You seem to think it's perfectly okay for an individual with particular religious beliefs to impose them on colleagues in a workplace situation, when it is common understanding that this is incredibly poor etiquette (and in some cases, may flout equality law and workplace regulations). Why? If you REALLY can't see the difference between these two scenarios I'd suggest that you too, perhaps need to get a grip. This is really not difficult for most grown ups to understand, but if your aim is to be disingenuous, well...

Firefly1987 · 06/12/2025 19:49

I'm an atheist and I wouldn't mind. Surely you can just go along with it and give thanks for the food etc. and ignore the Jesus part? Sounds like a very American thing to do but meh couldn't get worked up about it.

Poetnojo · 06/12/2025 19:47

Legomania · 06/12/2025 19:38

I would be equally irritated if someone of any faith took it upon themselves to impose their religious beliefs on a secular gathering, particularly at work which is supposed to be a neutral space.

Also it is disingenuous to call it a majority Christian country when only a small minority actively practise.

Would you be so bigoted to complain is someone in your workplace said a few words to celebrate Eid?

Ecrire · 06/12/2025 19:45

Millytante · 06/12/2025 19:44

But it must have been Winter, because the shepherds were washing their socks by night, though they lived in a sunny Mediterranean country! 🤔

Erm I think it’s “watching their flocks” not “washing their socks”.

Poetnojo · 06/12/2025 19:45

hihelenhi · 06/12/2025 19:36

It's not appropriate in a work situation, that's all. It's not "controversial" - it's been basic workplace etiquette for many, many years now. Not "new" at all. No religion or politics at work. Do and believe whatever you want in your private life.

Edit: And this isn't about "privately expressing religious views". This is about someone on a microphone expecting everyone at the event to go along with her beliefs. These were her colleagues, not a congregation. It is deeply inappropriate for the situation, and certainly would've been for, ooh, about the last 40 years or so?

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If Mavis got on the microphone and raised a glass an toasted a work colleague that I didn't particularly like or wasnt particularly popular, would that also be seen as expecting everyone to share her beliefs or just allowing someone to share how she feels?

Ecrire · 06/12/2025 19:45

I knew from the thread title this thread would draw out all the religious nuts out of the woodwork 🤣

Millytante · 06/12/2025 19:44

MasterBeth · 06/12/2025 19:39

"Working from Luke...". Ha!

The gospels are hardly historical records! It's all hearsay and make up, written decades after the alleged events.

But it must have been Winter, because the shepherds were washing their socks by night, though they lived in a sunny Mediterranean country! 🤔

hihelenhi · 06/12/2025 19:42

Poetnojo · 06/12/2025 19:37

Is drinking appropriate in a work situation?
Basic workplace etiquette for many many years not to drink no? Or are some thing that wouldn't be considered appropriate at work ok at a work party? People will extend that to getting drunk but not a quick prayer? Odd,

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Many people would think not. But nobody is forcing anyone to drink, are they, and anyone who doesn't is perfectly free not to. Certainly behaviour when "under the influence" at work parties is subject to workplace rules, which is why the basic advice is to remember where you are and who you are with and not get bladdered, for example. This isn't being out with your mates; it's your colleagues, manager, sometimes external people you work with.

I suggest you stop being disingenuous, tbh.

Rituelec · 06/12/2025 19:40

40andlovelife · 06/12/2025 12:13

You’re right they don’t. It’s weird how those people engage in a festival dedicated to him and in honour of him.

Most the things people do are pagan tradition.

MasterBeth · 06/12/2025 19:39

HildegardP · 06/12/2025 17:09

Fair, working from Luke it's more reasonable to assume a birth date in Spring, what with shepherds out in the fields & lambing season & all.

"Working from Luke...". Ha!

The gospels are hardly historical records! It's all hearsay and make up, written decades after the alleged events.

Millytante · 06/12/2025 19:39

hihelenhi · 06/12/2025 19:34

Kindly, get a grip.

Nobody is "offended". Nobody is preventing you from celebrating Christmas according to your faith with your own family and friends and community. We are talking about a workplace party, which means basic workplace etiquette applies here, and understanding that it is never going to be appropriate to try to impose religious beliefs on your colleagues, as this woman, who was on a microphone doing so, so it wasn't a private thing, did. Again, a prayer, or "saying Grace" is always going to be inappropriate in a work situation with colleagues who are unlikely to share your beliefs unless your workplace is a religious school or a church/place of worship. Are you so intolerant yourself that you can't accept or understand that or why it would be considered an imposition in that scenario?

Or to put that another way, ‘Kindly get a grip’.

Legomania · 06/12/2025 19:38

Poetnojo · 06/12/2025 19:33

I've seen worse happen at a Christmas party than someone praying. Since when did expressing your faith become so controversial? In a mostly Christian country it shouldn't be seen as negative, why should it be. Were any non Christian offended do you think? Is multiculturalism not to be celebrated as a positive or is that only when Christians are excluded?

I would be equally irritated if someone of any faith took it upon themselves to impose their religious beliefs on a secular gathering, particularly at work which is supposed to be a neutral space.

Also it is disingenuous to call it a majority Christian country when only a small minority actively practise.

Poetnojo · 06/12/2025 19:37

hihelenhi · 06/12/2025 19:36

It's not appropriate in a work situation, that's all. It's not "controversial" - it's been basic workplace etiquette for many, many years now. Not "new" at all. No religion or politics at work. Do and believe whatever you want in your private life.

Edit: And this isn't about "privately expressing religious views". This is about someone on a microphone expecting everyone at the event to go along with her beliefs. These were her colleagues, not a congregation. It is deeply inappropriate for the situation, and certainly would've been for, ooh, about the last 40 years or so?

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Is drinking appropriate in a work situation?
Basic workplace etiquette for many many years not to drink no? Or are some thing that wouldn't be considered appropriate at work ok at a work party? People will extend that to getting drunk but not a quick prayer? Odd,

hihelenhi · 06/12/2025 19:36

Poetnojo · 06/12/2025 19:33

I've seen worse happen at a Christmas party than someone praying. Since when did expressing your faith become so controversial? In a mostly Christian country it shouldn't be seen as negative, why should it be. Were any non Christian offended do you think? Is multiculturalism not to be celebrated as a positive or is that only when Christians are excluded?

It's not appropriate in a work situation, that's all. It's not "controversial" - it's been basic workplace etiquette for many, many years now. Not "new" at all. No religion or politics at work. Do and believe whatever you want in your private life.

Edit: And this isn't about "privately expressing religious views". This is about someone on a microphone expecting everyone at the event to go along with her beliefs. These were her colleagues, not a congregation. It is deeply inappropriate for the situation, and certainly would've been for, ooh, about the last 40 years or so?

hihelenhi · 06/12/2025 19:34

MollyMollyMandy33 · 06/12/2025 19:23

You talk a lot about respect..
I have in no way suggested that people should think the same way I do about my faith. I wouldn’t personally pray in that situation, as I’ve said. If I was aware that there would be a prayer from a person of a different faith or none, I’d just behave respectfully towards that person. We may not share a faith, but we share a common humanity and I’d take pleasure in their words. I certainly wouldn’t be offended and going on about feeling disrespected. I’d actually think that complaining in that situation, unless something offensive was said, would be arrogant. It all feels a bit immature TBH.
I do however think that people should think hard about the culture that we seem to be embracing of being so offended.
The biggest respect that we could give each other is to stop being so outraged and maybe be a little more tolerant of things and of each other. There is nothing to be gained by this attitude of frequently being offended by things that actually don’t harm anyone. It’s becoming ridiculous. We generally teach our children tolerance, but what are they learning when their parents have attitudes like this?
Imagine what society would be like if we could all shrug our shoulders in situations like this, disagree inwardly, smile and move on. Obviously there are many things that we truly should be outraged about, but someone (perhaps misguidedly) saying a prayer of love and gratitude surely isn’t one of them. If it is, I think we have a big problem.

Kindly, get a grip.

Nobody is "offended". Nobody is preventing you from celebrating Christmas according to your faith with your own family and friends and community. We are talking about a workplace party, which means basic workplace etiquette applies here, and understanding that it is never going to be appropriate to try to impose religious beliefs on your colleagues, as this woman, who was on a microphone doing so, so it wasn't a private thing, did. Again, a prayer, or "saying Grace" is always going to be inappropriate in a work situation with colleagues who are unlikely to share your beliefs unless your workplace is a religious school or a church/place of worship. Are you so intolerant yourself that you can't accept or understand that or why it would be considered an imposition in that scenario?

Poetnojo · 06/12/2025 19:33

hihelenhi · 06/12/2025 19:20

It was a company-related end of year event. Ergo - this counts as the workplace.

I've seen worse happen at a Christmas party than someone praying. Since when did expressing your faith become so controversial? In a mostly Christian country it shouldn't be seen as negative, why should it be. Were any non Christian offended do you think? Is multiculturalism not to be celebrated as a positive or is that only when Christians are excluded?

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