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That prayer to Jesus is inappropriate at a company party?

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Kate8889 · 06/12/2025 12:06

I went with my husband to a company Christmas party and before we started to eat a woman came to the microphone and said a short prayer in the name of Jesus as thanks/blessings for the food. Everyone was expected to bow their head.

This is the first time I've been witness to something like this, it is a secular company with many Jewish, Muslim and agnostic people. We have been going to this Christmas party for 7 years and it's never been like this.

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Deadlykitten · 11/12/2025 18:03

sure thing, well the person op is talking about did it this way, so that’s fine right ?

youegg · 10/12/2025 02:58

A work Christmas party is not celebrating the birth of Jesus. It’s celebrating the end of the year and the fact that there’ll be a few days off with lights, presents, food and fun. For 90% of people that event will also not be to celebrate the birth of Jesus it will be because it a fun thing to do that everyone does.
Religion has zilch to do with a modern Xmas celebration and therefore prayer is as inappropriate as someone doing a group prayer at a work summer party or meeting.
If you want to bring religion into your own Xmas no one is stopping you but don’t try to force a group into inappropriate displays of faith that isn’t shared by the vast majority of the population or the attendees.
And that goes for any religion.
I was recently at a work course in another country that is more religious than the UK. The day was opened and closed by a prayer. I thought it hugely inappropriate given the professional context and didn’t bow my head or say amen and just carried on messaging on my phone and ignored it. As did most people not from that country.

RedTagAlan · 10/12/2025 02:44

Clavinova · 09/12/2025 19:22

CNN reported that a Muslim cleric also delivered a prayer at the ceremony (that detail is missing from your link) - perhaps the Christian representative thought she would get in there first!

It all ended in tears anyway - the Muslim representative had to resign within a year;
Movita Johnson-Harrell, the former Democratic state representative from West Philly, will serve three months in prison followed by 8 1/2 months of house arrest for misusing more than $500,000 in funds from her nonprofit for personal use...
... on personal expense, including fur coats, a trip to Mexico, her Porsche and past-due mortgage payments.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/west-philly-motiva-johnson-harrell-pleads-guilty-theft-charges/

None of that detracts from the Christian fundie weaponizing prayer.

Donttellhim · 09/12/2025 23:16

AwfullyGood · 06/12/2025 12:14

I'm not religious but Christmas is about the birth of Jesus so it shouldn't be surprising that this happened.

You can't really have a party in honour of someone without mentioning the birthday boy.

I’m not sure if you’re being serious, but if you are, don’t be daft, of course you can have a party without a hint of religion in it! I’ve never been to one with it and I’m mid fifties!

OP it’s quite odd to have that and it’s not for everyone and really it’s probably the last thing people at a Christmas party want to do…pray! Weird!

NeedToKnow101 · 09/12/2025 19:52

Hoppinggreen · 09/12/2025 09:08

We can certainly see your agenda

What’s my agenda then? What’s the agenda of the posters on here slagging off Christians and Christmas?

Clavinova · 09/12/2025 19:22

RedTagAlan · 07/12/2025 12:34

We don't know what the prayer was.

I have posted above on how it could be problematic.

Here is an example of prayer being weaponized.

'Islamophobia: Critics decry Christian prayer at swearing-in of Muslim lawmaker - ABC News (go.com)

CNN reported that a Muslim cleric also delivered a prayer at the ceremony (that detail is missing from your link) - perhaps the Christian representative thought she would get in there first!

It all ended in tears anyway - the Muslim representative had to resign within a year;
Movita Johnson-Harrell, the former Democratic state representative from West Philly, will serve three months in prison followed by 8 1/2 months of house arrest for misusing more than $500,000 in funds from her nonprofit for personal use...
... on personal expense, including fur coats, a trip to Mexico, her Porsche and past-due mortgage payments.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/west-philly-motiva-johnson-harrell-pleads-guilty-theft-charges/

WalkDontWalk · 09/12/2025 14:48

Bumblebee72 · 09/12/2025 12:28

How do I break it to Sue in the office tomorrow that she is hypothetical?

Are we talking here about Sue Wattiph from Planning?

Hoppinggreen · 09/12/2025 14:02

Everanewbie · 09/12/2025 09:28

Fine, I think most wouldn't expect it. But should OP create merry hell or just keep it to self-talk?

I would just eye roll, go to the bar and avoid the person in question.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 09/12/2025 13:05

I couldn’t give two titties. For many it is about the birth of JC so let them pray and celebrate. Tyrants on here don’t want that though

You can pray and celebrate all you want, indeed, I'd fight to defend your right to do just that, except, you are not subjecting me to it when I have a right to a religion-free workplace. You, and anyone else who wishes to join you, can go into a separate space and pray until your heart is content, but attempt to do so in front of me and no, I won't just meekly accept it and bow my head, I will vocally object and I couldn't give "two titties" if that upsets you.

I had my fill of Christians taking it for granted I was one myself when I was a child and foisting their religion upon me without ever asking for my consent. No way I'd stand for it as an adult.

And before anyone chimes in with the utterly predictable "I bet you wouldn't do the same with a Muslim prayer", yes, I absolutely would. Religion is religion, it doesn't matter which variety, I'm not bending over for any of them.

Bumblebee72 · 09/12/2025 12:28

Poetnojo · 08/12/2025 17:14

I never said he was anything more than a man, I was replying to someone who said 'sue', that hypothetical 'sue' was 'real' and that Jesus was not.

How do I break it to Sue in the office tomorrow that she is hypothetical?

Inthebitterend · 09/12/2025 12:26

I would find it massively inappropriate and have never experienced this in 15+ years of working in professional settings.

I wouldn't kick off about it but I'd think it's incredibly weird. Everyone goes to Christmas parties to dance and drink, if you want to pray you can do it somewhere else (and that goes for all religions).

The best thing to do is always be neutral in a workplace - there's enough divide in the world as it is, I don't want to be tiptoeing around it at work too.

Pacificsunshine · 09/12/2025 12:15

Any reason for wanting to stamp out people cleaving to the old ways? I am an atheist, and the religiously observant don’t intimidate me at all. I find it rather quaint.

Bumblebee72 · 09/12/2025 10:27

NeedToKnow101 · 08/12/2025 22:04

Why do people keep talking about paganism and pre-Christianity. People know that Christmas has some roots in Saturnalia, paganism, winter festivals etc. But it evolved to become Christmas.

It’s like having a conversation about stilettos as a symbol of women’s oppression and half the posters banging on that it was men who originally wore high heels.. it’s bizarre.

And now it evolving to become Santa Day and a celebration of consumerism, yet some people still harp to the last century.

Bumblebee72 · 09/12/2025 10:21

Poetnojo · 08/12/2025 15:41

Jesus was actually a real man, more real than the hypothetical 'Sue' lol

Of course I believe that people have been called Jesus. I have met people called Jesus. There is more than 1 Jesus in the bible. The water into wine thing not so much. Given the suffering the world I think if anything the old testiment God that hated us is more realistic, than the 0AD woke God of love and flowers.

Everanewbie · 09/12/2025 09:28

Hoppinggreen · 09/12/2025 09:11

Thing about evolution is its not static, it keeps moving and "Christmas" is moving away from its original meaning to something more like it was pre Christianity
I have attended events around most religions and I was happy to respect the prayers at those event (even if I didn't join in) BUT I wouldn't expect it at a corporate event

Fine, I think most wouldn't expect it. But should OP create merry hell or just keep it to self-talk?

Tryingtokeepgoing · 09/12/2025 09:21

NeedToKnow101 · 08/12/2025 22:04

Why do people keep talking about paganism and pre-Christianity. People know that Christmas has some roots in Saturnalia, paganism, winter festivals etc. But it evolved to become Christmas.

It’s like having a conversation about stilettos as a symbol of women’s oppression and half the posters banging on that it was men who originally wore high heels.. it’s bizarre.

It’s not bizarre at although, is it? What’s bizarre is clinging to the religious element when 95% of people have moved on. Christmas hasn’t been about Christianity since the victorians commercialised the whole thing. The Christians co-opted the winter festivals from the 3rd or 4th century CE (so even they ignored it for 400 years) and by the 19th century it had evolved away from religion to almost entirely commercial. Compared to the many millennia that winter festivals existed for before Christianity and after the period it had anything to do with Jesus is just a blip :)

Hoppinggreen · 09/12/2025 09:11

NeedToKnow101 · 08/12/2025 22:04

Why do people keep talking about paganism and pre-Christianity. People know that Christmas has some roots in Saturnalia, paganism, winter festivals etc. But it evolved to become Christmas.

It’s like having a conversation about stilettos as a symbol of women’s oppression and half the posters banging on that it was men who originally wore high heels.. it’s bizarre.

Thing about evolution is its not static, it keeps moving and "Christmas" is moving away from its original meaning to something more like it was pre Christianity
I have attended events around most religions and I was happy to respect the prayers at those event (even if I didn't join in) BUT I wouldn't expect it at a corporate event

Hoppinggreen · 09/12/2025 09:08

NeedToKnow101 · 08/12/2025 19:55

Are you having a laugh?! Have you checked out who is massacring Christians in Nigeria? Have you seen any Christian ‘honour’ kill their own daughter? Have you seen any Christian brutally murder someone lately because they caused ‘offence?’ Remind me which religion lacks resilience? Crikey! The agenda some people are spouting on this thread is insane.

We can certainly see your agenda

MsTiggy · 09/12/2025 06:13

There are lots of things that people do, which you can observe and take no part in. Had a Muslim taken to the podium at an event and read an Islamic prayer or blessing, I’d have watched/observed and left them to it. No need to get offended or demand an investigation.

NeedToKnow101 · 08/12/2025 22:04

Tryingtokeepgoing · 08/12/2025 21:20

If by ‘many’ you mean the 6%, yes, 6%, of the uk population that are practising Christian then I don’t think anyone’s saying don’t pray and celebrate, even using a festival that predates Christianity by millennia. Just keep religion out of a work Christmas party :)

Why do people keep talking about paganism and pre-Christianity. People know that Christmas has some roots in Saturnalia, paganism, winter festivals etc. But it evolved to become Christmas.

It’s like having a conversation about stilettos as a symbol of women’s oppression and half the posters banging on that it was men who originally wore high heels.. it’s bizarre.

SomeOtherUser · 08/12/2025 22:03

Introducing religion into a work context when not relevant is never acceptable, in my view.

Also, the origin of Christmas is multi-faceted and much of it comes from pagan and Roman traditions, among others. I thought this was common knowledge!

ScholesPanda · 08/12/2025 21:38

As soon as I saw the thread I knew it would be a party in the USA.

Loads of American companies have Christian owners and like to shout about it- there's a much bigger market for it over there.

Also, when you look at MAGA, Trump, the move to un-woke or even anti-woke advertising and marketing They're just leaning into the zeitgeist.

Your husband could complain, but if it's the owner or a senior manager who has approved this I wouldn't expect it to get far, and hus card may even be marked as a result.

Poetnojo · 08/12/2025 21:32

bumptybum · 08/12/2025 21:28

But it’s not even when he was born so…

Kinda a bit like the king or Queens official birthday so...

bumptybum · 08/12/2025 21:28

AwfullyGood · 06/12/2025 12:14

I'm not religious but Christmas is about the birth of Jesus so it shouldn't be surprising that this happened.

You can't really have a party in honour of someone without mentioning the birthday boy.

But it’s not even when he was born so…

Noodles1234 · 08/12/2025 21:24

I admit I wouldn’t expect to say Grace at a work Christmas party, however on the other hand it is a Christmas (birth of Jesus) party, so, yes. If I went to a Jewish religious work party I would not bat an eye over a Jewish prayer or any religion come to that, I would be respectful and bow my head and go along with it.