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To start a conspiracy theory thread about the pyramids?

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Gardener82 · 05/12/2025 23:03

Do you believe the pyramids or The sphinx were built by the ancient Egyptians?
I’m just watching Egypt’s Secret code and Bradley Walsh isn’t accepting this theory, my husband believes it was Aliens.
I don’t know what I think really, please discuss, Share your thoughts.

OP posts:
TheJustJoker · 06/12/2025 12:18

AgnesMcDoo · 06/12/2025 12:17

Built by the G’ouald to land their spaceships on

🤣

😂😂😂

AgnesMcDoo · 06/12/2025 12:17

Built by the G’ouald to land their spaceships on

🤣

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/12/2025 12:16

TheJustJoker · 06/12/2025 12:06

The Egyptians were very advanced mathematicians (see the Rhind Mathematical papyrus); same with medicine. Mummification taught them about human anatomy and there is even evidence of prosthetic toes as well as trepanation as a pp pointed out. This was a civilisation that lasted 3000 years-longer than ours has done. But all civilisations rise and fall and that knowledge is then absorbed and appropriated by the incoming forces (Greeks then Romans).

I know …. that was the point.

Millytante · 06/12/2025 12:15

Fleur405 · 05/12/2025 23:08

Ah Bradley Walsh that well known Egyptologist….maybe he’s an alien pedalling alien propaganda.

🤣😹

Millytante · 06/12/2025 12:14

Aluna · 06/12/2025 11:00

Yeah because that’s what undermines the alien theory. Not the fact that not all aliens have opposable thumbs.

Aha! (quoth the husband): Egyptian ancients worshipped cats, and THEY generally lack opposable thumbs too!
Therefore those weird-hand aliens could easily have been living among the higher castes, imparting advanced engineering knowledge in exchange for accommodation (after landing their multi-dimensional spacecraft near Thebes, they found they were stuck there, because they couldn't operate their phasers to get back in and leave, since their lack of useful thumbs the buttons refused to co-operate).

Millytante · 06/12/2025 12:06

Dawnintheageofaquariams · 06/12/2025 04:02

Or maybe we have just given our knowledge over to computing.
Absolutely no reason why the pyramids cannot be entirely made by humans, just because modern humanity can't build a high-speed railway line because of idiocy and corruption.
Egyptians had the mathematical knowledge and the manpower to hand.
See Cologne Cathedral, York Minster, the Duomo in Florence.

Even the Egyptians’ achievements were preceded by peoples with advanced methods with which to calculate and predict the position of planets to an exquisite degree of accuracy.
The Neolithic farming people in ancient Ireland, circa 4500 BCE, built vast tombs and other monuments (with beautiful abstract stone carving whose distinctive designs are still employed all over the globe) wherein sacred chambers would be pierced by the rising solstice sun.
That depended on incredibly close calculations, and without even a toy telescope!
(This expertise wasn’t known only to Ireland of course. Other kindred tribes in northern Europe were working on a similar path. It’s merely that Ireland’s great Neolithic sites have survived particularly splendidly. No flag waving here!)

This feat of engineering, before the erection of the Great Pyramids, must be the ancient equivalent of Von Braun’s precise and visionary calculations landing men on the Moon.

TheJustJoker · 06/12/2025 12:06

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/12/2025 11:39

True but the architects still needed to do the maths.

The Egyptians were very advanced mathematicians (see the Rhind Mathematical papyrus); same with medicine. Mummification taught them about human anatomy and there is even evidence of prosthetic toes as well as trepanation as a pp pointed out. This was a civilisation that lasted 3000 years-longer than ours has done. But all civilisations rise and fall and that knowledge is then absorbed and appropriated by the incoming forces (Greeks then Romans).

dragonballet · 06/12/2025 12:01

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/12/2025 11:39

True but the architects still needed to do the maths.

Not sure what your point is?

We have ancient Egyptian mathematical texts and architectural plans. They had a standardised measurement system. They had schools and apprentices.

MySillyCrab · 06/12/2025 11:57

I saw something a few months back stating that the Egyptians just found the pyramids ready built and used them for what they wanted

dragonballet · 06/12/2025 11:56

He needs to spend less time online and more time in the real world, ideally developing some critical thinking skills.

There is currently an entire exhibition at the Fitzwilliam Museum dedicated to the skills of ancient Egyptian craftspeople. It includes explanations and artefacts demonstrating their expertise and how they achieved precision.

Maybe your husband could attend to try and break the conspiracy spell. If he can't get there in person, the exhibition catalogue is excellent. Both are produced by genuine experts who have dedicated their careers to studying this.

https://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/plan-your-visit/exhibitions/made-in-ancient-egypt

https://curatingcambridge.co.uk/products/made-in-ancient-egypt-exhibition-catalogue

Made in Ancient Egypt

Made in Ancient Egypt exhibition at Fitzwilliam Museum, Cambridge

https://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/plan-your-visit/exhibitions/made-in-ancient-egypt

Millytante · 06/12/2025 11:49

RedTagAlan · 06/12/2025 09:46

Not really. Sure, the Egyptians and others had river gauges, they knew when the floods were due to come, but they never got to understand where the rain came from. Hence they had Hapi, their god of the Nile. Who they had temples to, to pray for the floods.

As evidence for what I say, I present the Bible. What does it say about the water cycle ? Book of Isaiah, some of which is thought to date from about 800BC.

“For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return there but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater,” – Isaiah 55:10

Does not return there. So the Bible folk did not know the water cycle. They thought it was their God who sent the rain.

And this is a theme repeated over many ancient civilizations. Human sacrifice was popular in many to bring the rain.

Those Old Testament ‘Bible folk’ lived according to countless beliefs which must have appeared wacko to outsiders by, say, Caesar’s day.
That they apparently hadn't got the hang of this here water cycle* doesn’t mean that nobody else around in the first millennium BCE had much of a clue about anything as well.

*Maybe the prophet just hadn’t been paying attention in his school days, of course, nor on the outward bound course where everyone ran riot while ostensibly looking at evidence of glaciation in the landscape (bit of autobiography there, folks!)

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/12/2025 11:39

XWKD · 06/12/2025 02:45

The pyramids were a huge undertaking, but not any more advanced than the technology that was available at the time. When you have thousands of workers at your disposal you can do amazing things.

True but the architects still needed to do the maths.

Blarn · 06/12/2025 11:35

I don't think they are even real, just stacks of cardboard boxes.

LetMeGoogleThat · 06/12/2025 11:33

Don't subscribe to any Alien theory, but believe in a civilisation pre pharaonic. The geology of sub saharan Africa does support the lush lands to the west and this would support a climate crisis and displacement of people. Much of the early dynasties borrowed and recycled buildings and learning. We've maybe only skimmed the surface. Look up the Osireion and fall down the rabbit hole of how much we just don't understand or can explain today.

SerendipityJane · 06/12/2025 11:33

MrsSkylerWhite · 05/12/2025 23:06

Expect it was Persimmon.

No way. They have stood for millennia.

Having read about new builds, I wouldn't put money on them lasting the decade.

TheCorrsDidDreamsBetter · 06/12/2025 11:24

BlueJuniper94 · 06/12/2025 07:30

How did such an advanced civilisation collapse?

War, and rising water levels.

Aluna · 06/12/2025 11:06

Gardener82 · 06/12/2025 10:20

Jesus Christ you make it sound like I’m married to Peter Sutcliffe.

It does rather.

Aluna · 06/12/2025 11:00

pointythings · 06/12/2025 09:30

I have a degree in prehistoric archaeology and I think your husband is talking bollocks. All of the things he lists are perfectly possible with the technology of the era - given enough time. And they had time, because every year they used their flood season to do this work. It was a way of keeping people in work and earning when they couldn't farm. In terms of the statuary, the craftsmen of the time had literal years to finish these pieces.

There is also evidence that the Egyptians used early brain surgery (trepanning) and the patients regularly survived. These were very advanced people.

Yeah because that’s what undermines the alien theory. Not the fact that not all aliens have opposable thumbs.

RedTagAlan · 06/12/2025 10:53

Millytante · 06/12/2025 10:39

Certainly in terms of how much brain-wasting codswallop has been latched on to in order to fill the vacancy.
GK Chesterton too warned about this mad pressure now to embrace all kinds of everything, giving free rein to credulousness.
Even super-smart scientists have managed to believe ten impossible things before breakfast while spending the day designing the most far out and epoch-making possibilities in aeronautics, for example.
It’s not all just dim bulbs proclaiming that they are Wiccan witches and waffling on about their magic ‘practice’.

Agree, and as evidence I suggest Hyperloop.

When they done the first competition, they had a team, from a Berlin Uni I think. who entered a vehicle that carried tanks of compressed gas, in order to create the " hockey table air cushion", as described by Musk in his "white paper".

How none of the Engineers figured out that an air cushion in a near vacuum tube was not a good idea just blows my mind.

Beware of vapourware I say. It sucks in many who should know far better.

Millytante · 06/12/2025 10:39

BlueJuniper94 · 06/12/2025 08:23

Does it ever make you think Neitszche was right about how catastrophic the death of God has been for us?

Certainly in terms of how much brain-wasting codswallop has been latched on to in order to fill the vacancy.
GK Chesterton too warned about this mad pressure now to embrace all kinds of everything, giving free rein to credulousness.
Even super-smart scientists have managed to believe ten impossible things before breakfast while spending the day designing the most far out and epoch-making possibilities in aeronautics, for example.
It’s not all just dim bulbs proclaiming that they are Wiccan witches and waffling on about their magic ‘practice’.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 06/12/2025 10:35

MsWilmottsGhost · 06/12/2025 08:08

How did you manage to shoehorn this into a thread about fucking pyramids 🤦

Edited

You ever heard of Godwin's Law? It's the one that says in any online discussion regardless of topic, eventually someone will reference Hitler.

This is the equivalent - in any Mumsnet thread regardless of topic, someone will eventually reference trans people. Maybe we should call it Justine's Law.

Muffsies · 06/12/2025 10:27

Humans who lived 4,000 years ago weren't grunting idiots covered in shit. They were just as clever and inventive as modern humans. Their knowledge of architecture and maths was extremely advanced. If it hadn't been for those distructive Romans who burnt down the Egyptian libraries at Alexandria, we would still have all the blueprints and plans showing how they were built.

The Romans were absolute bastards at propaganda and smear campaigns against foreign civilisations, they wanted to erase the Egyptian empire, and all the progess and advances they'd made with it. What's really dissapointing is that it seems to have worked, everyone is still going on about aliens, despite the fact that we do now know how the pyramids were built. It's pathetic, but shows how the lazy human mind would rather believe a fantastical lie than understand that some people that lived 4,000 years ago were just way smarter than you.

Millytante · 06/12/2025 10:22

MsWilmottsGhost · 06/12/2025 08:08

How did you manage to shoehorn this into a thread about fucking pyramids 🤦

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Doesn't hold water anyway, because it’s rare that we witness experts spouting attitudes and theories which the dogs in the street sneer at.

Gardener82 · 06/12/2025 10:20

Planesmistakenforstars · 06/12/2025 09:49

Apart from all the other myriad problems with your husband's "theory," he believes that aliens built the pyramids, put dead people in them to divert attention, and then just fucked off. Rather than be able to imagine wooden rollers and shit loads of people. Both of which we know were around. What a prize you've got there OP.

Jesus Christ you make it sound like I’m married to Peter Sutcliffe.

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RedTagAlan · 06/12/2025 10:14

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 06/12/2025 09:49

The transmission- and loss- of knowledge is fascinating. How different civilisations transferred knowledge from one generation to the next, each generation building on the knowledge of those that came before. The Egyptians were excellent record keepers and the empire lasted eons so they had a long time to accumulate skills and knowledge.

A disaster that wipes out a generation, or a group, can take all the knowledge with it. There are records in several cultures of the Great Flood that wiped out knowledge around the Mediterranean.

Hence the Renaissance when we gradually rebuilt and redistributed knowledge after its destruction by (I think) the Mongolian hoards.

At different times, knowledge has been preserved by the Greeks, the Moors, as a PP says the Christian monks. I’m sure every civilisation will have had a remnant trying to share their knowledge in the years following its collapse.

It really interests me that our knowledge now is stored digitally, electricity dependent. What would survive a cataclysm now?

To quote you : "It really interests me that our knowledge now is stored digitally, electricity dependent. What would survive a cataclysm now?"

A massive amount would survive.

As a thought experiment, lets randomly pick a few tens of thousands of people, and beam them to a new empty planet, a copy of earth. They go naked, take nothing.

The knowledge we have accumulated goes with them in their heads. The farmers would find animals and plants for hair and fibers, the spinners and weavers would get to work, the builders would build, the paper makers would get making, the geologists searching. and so on.

And they write stuff down to record their combined knowledge, and because they know about the scientific method, gaps would soon be filled.

Of course, such an experiment in real life would need space aliens to do the beaming :-)

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