To start a conspiracy theory thread about the pyramids?

I have it on good authority they were built by The Clangers

Never bet your savings on something propounded as fact in the OT.
Most of those prophets and elders must have lived on hallucinogenic crocuses, and suffered from dysfunctional ‘glands’.
Look at Moses. Forty bloody years trying and failing to get from the equivalent of (wild guess here) Piccadilly to Windsor, with no big buildings obscuring the view.

Didn't these people even have celestial navigation?
Didn’t Samaritans and other -ans traverse the countryside too, able to offer guidance to these ever-wandering brainiacs?

Whatever about that, I just think they make pretty unreliable narrators!

With sufficient well-trained manpower, and food supplies to support them, community belief in what they are doing, it is truly amazing what humans are capable of doing. Have you seen the Megalithic temples of Malta? Older than the pyramids, or Stonehenge, they contain stones of up to 500 tonnes. The population of Malta was relatively small, the soil less productive than Egypt's, yet the people had the skills and motivation to build these amazing structures.

I'm and archaeology graduate of half a century ago, and an avid reader of everything I can get my hands on about the latest developments in the field. I also teach an Archaeology class at U3A. The ancients were both far more clever and more capable than modern people believe, arrogant as we are. Aliens just don't figure.

There are some budget collapsed pyramids where they got it wrong too.

The Persimmon link is deep.

Maybe not. But until you ask, you'll never know.

Excellent

A lot of culturally ignorant kids at some art school don’t constitute proof of this, that, or the other.

Exactly this! The evolution of pyramid building is in the archaeological record. They didn’t just appear, dropped from some passing starship. They also continued after the start of the decline of dynastic Egypt in the south (Meroe) but much smaller.

Or volcanic eruptions and earthquakes!
(Just a small thing, but Minoan….. 🤣)

BlueJuniper94

Watch how great empires collapse, current bbc2.

All the same cause. The leading elites keep all money , the general population rebel, harvest fails and starvation, pandemic, hostile takeover by outside forces. Egypt, Japan, Rome, Aztecs (who also built pyramids ) etc. happened to France, Portugal, England and
eventually the US.

As others have said, no (or at least very few) slaves involved. Archaeologists have spent years studying the villages that housed the very skilled and well trained workers who built the pyramids including records of things like their pay, what they ate etc. In fact it's thought that these workers staged the earliest known and recorded strike in history.

The BBC has recently shown a series on the fall of 4 of the great civilisations of history including the Egyptians. The conclusion that was come to was that the fall there was due to a combination of factors including lack of rain in the mountains that fed the Nile river leading to food shortages, invasion and infighting (and murders) in the ruling family of the day.

It also covered a few subjects like the evolution of pyramid building starting with the Step Pyramid where they went from the traditional mastaba, a comparatively low building over a tomb then built gradually smaller ones on top to get a greater height and eventually ended up with the classic pyramidal shape, similar to those built in places like South America. There's also the Bent Pyramid where they realised part way through they had the maths wrong and had to flatten the angle of the slope. Would they have made these evolutions & mistakes if they'd been guided by some fabulously advanced alien civilisation capable of crossing between the stars? Surely the aliens would have got it right first time.

I saw the Bradley Walsh series about Egypt - he had plenty of well educated Egyptologists telling him how things were built etc, he just chose not to believe them lol.

There’s plenty of papyri that have survived-medical, mathematical, astronomical so I think we do have a pretty good idea about what they knew.

Is this a scheme?

We don’t know how much the Egyptians knew because the library in Alexandria burned down

Gaspery………

What ? Put the topmost block in place first haha 😜 Like Stonehenge?

Gardener82

1. stonehenge also built by aliens? Your DP sounds as well educated as Trump

I would argue Occams razor isn't that well known. Especially as you move away from the science and engineering realm into art school (where a lot of pyramid experts seem to have studied).

Could always run a poll, I guess 🤔

No they don’t. Arrogant to think that people will be ignorant of it when it’s so well known. And doesn’t explain your beliefs.

Yep, this. And possibly recognise the line between historically provable fact and fantasy.

The whole point of Occam's Razor is to not ignore the simpler and more plausible solutions that are out there. In the case of Flat Earthers those would be the laws of physics and the evidence from our exploration of space. Conspiracy theories of how all of that is faked also fall foul of the Razor.

In the case of the Pyramids, it's the massive body of archaeological evidence - both from the archaeological record and from experimental archaeology.

This isn't about the 'beggin the question' fallacy, this is about thinking people shouldn't choose to be wilfully stupid.

I’d say some people need to look up tongue in cheek.

I would say that just stating " Some people on this thread really need to look up Occam's Razor" is getting close to a begging the question fallacy.

Like a flat earther saying they can't see a curved horizon, therefore the logical Occam's conclusion is that the earth is flat.

I don't know, many people smarter than me say that, so who knows ? You tell me.

That's why I was asking @pointythings

:-)

I do. We need gullible people to fuel the economy. How do you think "AI" is funded ?

I can’t be bothered to wade through all the pages but I am hoping that you are taking the piss and don’t really think this.