To think midwife’s get a rubbish deal compared to teachers?

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17k TLR 😂😂 find me all the job adverts with that wage!!

No. We don't have the time to do this.
We used to facilitate it, but just got a lot of time wasters.

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Did you see the other thread where posters were claiming that school trips are a "holiday" and a "jolly" for teachers? 😁

You can in Scotland. In fact we often get undergrads asking to come in to do a day's work experience for a few weeks.

I'm a midwife.
Most midwives start on band 5 but will become band 6 once completing their preceptorship (usually 1-2 years). The pay scales are freely available online (Agenda for Change).
Plus we get extra money for antisocial hours so our actual pay is usually above the quoted scales unless we end up working in 9-5 Monday to Friday roles - which most of us don't, even community midwives will do weekend work if not on-calls. We can also earn extra money through bank shifts.
I feel like we could be paid better for the responsibility but it's also not AS terrible as it's sometimes made out to be. We should be accurate in this.

I think teaching and midwifery are very different roles, both underpaid. I have no interest in pitting my role against teachers. I would like the people teaching my children to be well paid, to have the resources they need, to be happy and well supported with the right degree of autonomy - these people are then best placed to help my children. Just like I would like for midwives to have these things as well, so they can then better support the women they care for.

Maternity notes have to be kept for 25 years so clearly issues affecting the mother or child can be the subject of litigation for this length of time.

They are both extremely pressurised careers that are underpaid, understaffed and under resourced. A passion for the role is what gets you through so this is the most important thing. And a whole lot of resilience!

I've worked in the NHS (12 hour shifts but not midwife) and as a teacher.

I'd go back to the NHS, I wouldn't go back to teaching.

And I think they should - much rather be a midwife than a police officer. I know I’ll prob get shot for this but I think the fire service have the easiest time of the services……off the point too I know.

My sister is a nurse and earns well over her wages with bank work. Teachers don’t have that option and technically work for free in the holidays as I used to do my planning then as no time in term time. I don’t teach now and wouldn’t recommend it to anyone and also wouldn’t want to work for the nhs either sorry I think neither are great options although pensions are both much better than private sector. NHS also offers salary sacrifice for cars which is also a good perk

You'd have to be off your trolley to want to become a teacher in the UK.

They are very different jobs. The midwife does seem.badly paid in comparison

Im convinced the police pay better than both for degree level entry.

I cant really get the disparity between police and midwives as they both have the antisocial hours, leave cancelling element.

I know teachers and they may not be in school for 13 weeks of the year but many of them are working, particularly infant and junior school staff. May half term is spent report writing and marking. Most teachers are in school for at the very least the last week of the summer holidays. A lot of it is very subject dependent. A friend who is a food tech teacher says that its the cushiest job she's ever had but those below secondary level appear to have it much harder.

To teach at year 6 and under you can do a B.Ed which is three years. To teach at secondary and above you need a PGCE and a relevant degree. Why anyone with a maths degree would enter teaching I have no idea. One of the hardest degrees to get that can command high salaries but you teach. Kudos to them but it's definitely not what I'd do with a maths degree! Teaching is fucking hard work, there's no overtime for "extra shifts". I'm sure midwifery is no easy life but I think you actually get paid for most of the hours you do.

Sorry but what is the point of this? You’ve made a post to put two professions against each other and also haven’t accurately fact checked. So many inaccuracies in what you’re saying about both professions

They might go up to 17k but the vast majority are significantly lower. And can vary from school to school. A head of year TLR position in my school seems to be approx 9k.

A TLR will involve some sort of leadership, for example Head of department, phase lead or head of faculty.

Never known anyone on a 17k TLR though!

I get that your sister is trying to choose between them but they are pretty different jobs and a bit arbitrary to compare.

I'm a teacher and it's hard but of course it's not the hardest or worst job in the world. It's quite subjective!

@Midwifeacher what tlr pays £17k ?!?!?! Most are £3-4k. And v unlikely to get one as no money. Why doesn't your sister shadow a teacher for a week and see the job ? Happy to oblige

Teaching is one of the only jobs where you prepare what will happen for every minute for 6.5 hours a day (accounting for every eventuality and need) at some unspecified, unpaid, 'non-working' time, and deal with everything generated by the over 200 kids you see each day outside those hours too.

If my husband has to prepare one presentation to 5 willing adults who don't yet understand something, he spends hours of his workdays leading up to it creating it. If I have 6 lessons tomorrow, plus pshe in tutor time, I just have to be ready with differentiated, fully resourced lessons and achieve nothing towards the next day within that time.

@Bitofashock everyone thinks we rock up at 8.30 and pop home at 3pm 😂.

Yup.

I miscarried after being punched in the stomach by a teenage boy. I've explained elsewhere on here that the possible pregnancy wasn't included in the initial report because it hadn't been confirmed by a doctor and I wasn't even sure until I lost it the next day. (The line on the test had been very faint and I was in my 40s.)

Nothing was ever done - Fife's finest 'lost the statements'.

You don't, sounds similar to B7 midwife from what I can quickly research but I'm not sure they are equivalent so apologies if this isn't the case.

Let's agree they're both badly paid jobs.