To think midwife’s get a rubbish deal compared to teachers?

But you researched this before starting your career?

You are confusing leadership role with managerial role….very different….band 5 is a leadership role.
when I was a band 6 I didn’t manage anyone …..band 6 top pay is over 46k

lots of jobs require you to keep records for a long time. Schools for example.

So let’s say Joe is diagnosed with a heart issue at 15. Are they really going to try and prove that something that may or may not have happened during his delivery caused it. Over, let’s say, his pre school booster. I can see they might want his medical history but not necessarily to point blame unless there is a glaring error.

Oh I don’t know. Has this happened do we know - perhaps I am talking bollocks.

Exchange and double it for those that work in social care

I think its more a parent might not sue for a birth injury thats well known, but a child becomes and adult and can decide they will. Its not necessarily about a new impact. Although I thought it was to 21 not 25. They get 3 years as an adult to file thier own claim.

School records are kept to 21.

Midwives do 12 hour shifts but then have more days off per week. And midwives get paid extra for picking up extra shifts, teachers often work a lot of extra hours but don’t get overtime pay. And of course, midwives can choose when to take their holiday rather than being stuck with school holidays. Not saying midwives have it easier, just some points you missed.

Midwife - fear of litigation 100%
Teacher - fear of litigation probably 5% or less

I left primary teaching last year after 21 years in. My only regret is I didn't leave for sooner.
Things I can do now that I couldn't as a teacher include:
Going to the toilet when I need to, having at least 20 mins for something to eat at lunch, going on holiday out of ridiculously expensive times, taking my own 5 yo to school and collecting her occasionally, attending her nativity and sports day, not working for many unpaid hours every day including a lot of weekends and holidays, not having the constant threat of observations and Ofsted.
Avoid!

I'd pick midwifery over teaching.
There isn't enough money in the world to attract me into teaching.

Hardly anyone wants to be a teacher any more. a LOT of women want to be a mid wife.

Not true. UPS is for experience, not responsibility. A common mistake though and a lot of teachers are tricked into taking responsibility for UPS. I’m UPS3 and am just a bog standard teacher- I am union rep though! So I know the pay scale very well 😂

Of course midwives get a raw deal.

Nurses too, and HCP's in general.

I know of no profession that gets six weeks off in the summer. None.

Well... I work in software (programmer) and my salary (currently at market rate in the private sector), in spite of two payrises within 6 months doesn't get near the starting salary of a teacher, but is a little more than the starting salary of a midwife.

Then again, I WFH 80% of the time and I save a good amount of money in not commuting. I guess more value is put into educating kids than it is helping to bring them into the world. It's all very upside down.

Thank you. That's surely what the main point should be.

I don’t really get the point of this post. Both are incredibly demanding jobs which are hugely valuable to society and deserve much better pay and conditions. Both are immensely rewarding (in terms of making a positive contribution to society) and both get "a rubbish deal".

Seriously?! Teachers have to do CPD - it's very time consuming!
They cannot just re-use lesson plans with "tweaks"?! Oh dear me. Where to start 😂!

Well they’re not storing the records for nothing, are they?

I can imagine it’s the sort of thing that is true but in reality, I can’t see how it could be enforced or proved. I’m not explaining very well, sorry.

I am a midwife and my twin sister is a teacher. We are both mid 40s and earn almost identical salaries. It really sticks in my craw that she gets 13 weeks of holiday a year plus some bank holidays and I get 7 including bank holiday allowance. She has nearly three weeks off just over Christmas which is half of my holiday allowance. Yes, she works hard but I do too. I don’t think it is fair. I have long thought teachers should have to provide two weeks of holiday clubs each during the hols but obviously that would get shouted down. Once you add in the extra childcare midwives have to pay (I could often only get 1 week off in the summer holidays due to the intense competition for annual leave), it seems even more unfair. My sister barely paid for childcare while I had to fork out £80 per day for summer camps (two children). If I had my time over again, I would become a teacher. I know teachers think they work hard but trying to stem a haemorrhage and stitch a vagina at 3am on four hours sleep is really something else. Rant over.

Im positive my friend who was a midwife told me that

On average teachers work 50 hours a week in most studies done.

this is 38.5 hours a week if you spread it over 52 weeks of the year.

midwives work a 37.5 hour week and of course get the holidays. So in reality work less than this if averaged over 52 weeks of the year.

but honestly, teachers get paid more because there are not enough people who want to be teachers. There will be plenty of times a midwife’s job is stressful and plenty that are sitting around resting or having a nice easy appointment. There are rarely any such moments in teaching and plenty of staff across the country report abuse, so personally I reckon being a midwife is easier on average, but as you said it’s also much higher stakes.

It’s tricky to compare really. I think if your sister has children then I think I’d go for teaching. You’d get the majority of holidays off with them. Conversely, being medically trained myself, but not a MW, I think having children when you’re a MW would bring lots of stresses - both emotionally and navigating the shift work alongside childcare. That said, if there are no kids, then I’d choose MW and go and see the world whilst working.

I’ve worked as a nurse for years now, and perhaps if I had my choice again, I’d plump for teaching. Holidays are one thing, but the emotional baggage clinicians hold when they have finished work is huge. I’m not saying teaching doesn’t have it’s emotional stresses, but there are no life and death situations and no phone calls in the middle of the night asking you to come in as there’s been an incident on the ward.

Midwifery/ nursing/ medicine is possibly more interesting - no two days are the same and there’s loads of scope in healthcare and wages are good. My director of nursing is on in excess of 100k. However, I still think for quality of life, it should be teaching. Correct me if I’m wrong, teachers don’t have to pay professional fees annually ? That’s another thing to think about; all health care professionals in whatever discipline can never not do any CPD. It’s mandatory, particularly the more senior you become. Teaching ( I’m guessing) is a formula, with lesson plans which can be used year after year with slight tweaks. Although please don’t think I’m thinking teaching is easy - it’s not at all, but I come from a family of teachers, I’m the only black sheep who went down the nursing route, but I can see from both sides of the coin.

Depends if your sister would enjoy working nights and weekends. Shift patterns can be all over days to nights. Personally I would should the teaching role. Its also longer shifts which may take its toll in 15 years time.

Agree. I’m not either of these but do work in a school.

In theory possibly, in reality though?