To be annoyed with Kylie Minogue?

I met her and she’s lovely 🥰

@Muffsies

who is JCVD?

Human growth hormone no doubt, that’s their secret

Who?

Neither does Anne Widdecombe. She's looked after herself but obviously has good genes. Natural full lips, good teeth and big eyes. Also hasn't taken the aesthetics too far.

Its not just kids, its life in general, she,s not working 70 hrs a week in a factory,nightshift, trying to carry ten bags of shopping home and call in on old mr bloggs enroute home , etc etc, Not the same strain when you have money ❤️

Children suck the life from you. Still rather have my kids though.

She's very petite, trim and pretty and has obviously looked after herself. As for her face, she looks plastic to me. I don't personally like the flat-screen forehead look and the filler lips, it doesn't look young to me but like the whole face is about to collapse at any second. Her sister Dannii is the same. I appreciate that it may well be perceived differently by a youngster but I think she's gone OTT with the cosmetic procedures and when do you stop?

No, not great.

My mum did a home perm on me called Lightwaves! 🤣 It actually looked great!

Definitely. And people weren't super-thin, it was OK to have curves, and there wasn't the level of facial perfection, either. Social media and wretched filters have a lot to answer for. And I feel there was less pressure for women to wear extremely sexy outfits.

Blimey, I'd hate to think what I'd look like if I'd had kids, then! Life stressors have aged me enough without them. And you're not taking into account that there is a lot of love and fun involved in having children, whereas that's not the case with the other life stressors that tend to age you, like divorce, serious illness, caring for difficult elderly parents, stressful job with no cutting back to care for cute little ones.

Absolutely true. The childless often look much younger!

I like her and I think she looks great.

Also I like that she is managing to keep things classy in her career and looks compared to someone like Madonna who destroyed her face with plastic surgery and comes across as desperate...

This is a good throw back to your son TBF!

Meryl Streep is 76 and still looks flawless.

Maybe the poster was thinking of Kylie Jenner? That would make more sense.

@SoftBalletShoes I don’t think the perms were great for people’s hair though. My mum had one for about two decades and it was a lot of work, she went to the hairdressers a lot more than I do.

I think it’s the same as when some mothers say having children keeps you young mentally. I think that’s tosh. Your mental outlook does not depend on whether you have children or not.

Same here. Despite the 'scientific evidence' that having children ages women, it's not a given that it will. Even the article says that actually!!! (It says it having children CAN age women ... not that it WILL.) It's nonsense that it's a given, and all women who have children will look a decade older than their age by the time they're 45!

I think this whole 'women with children will look 60 at 49, and childfree women will look like they're 45 when they're 60' kind of thing is a load of tosh. I know it's anedtotal, but I know 3 women in my village - all childfree and in their 40s and 50s. One looks about 3-5 years younger than her age, but the other two look about 5-7 years older. A number of the women with children just honestly look their age, or about 5 or 6 years younger. I don't think I actually know any women with children who look older than their age. As I said, I do know childfree women who do though.

IME, women who are childfree tend to be heavier drinkers of alcohol, and they're more likely to smoke (just IME,) and this ages them more than having children would age anyone.

Anyway, there's no point discussing this because it's all opinions and it's subjective, despite the 'scientific evidence.' (I put the 'quotes' because lots of this type of 'scientific evidence' is a load of shite!)

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A lot less pressure all round in the 80s. It was enough to be slim, you didn’t have to be super toned as well. You didn’t have to be tanned all the time either, or have big lips.

She always had one eyebrow higher than the other. She can't change that, it's her signature look.

What has made it look more exaggerated is having botox on her frown lines, it makes the brow go down at the front and you get the "spock eyebrows" effect. But her eyebrows were always a-symmetric.

Yes, I still have my T'Pau Bridge Of Spies vinyl, and the cassette, and the CD! Also their second album The Rage, and the third album The Promise. (On CD, vinyl, and cassette too.)

Saw them in concert recently too. Carol is a phenomenal singer. Not trained, no posh drama school, no privileges, or nepo baby shite, just a working-class, raw talent who did the local clubs, and did demo tapes, and worked her arse off trying to get her band signed.

She is a Queen. 👑

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Just looked at some old photos of Kylie, in her Neighbours days. Her bushy hair was so pretty, really thick and curly. Very feminine and flattering. I think it's a pity that so many people have such flat hair these days. I was watching an old film a while ago, wish I could remember what, but it was set in the Eighties, and I was really struck at how much body everyone's hair had. Styles were much more forgiving than today's. Kylie's was a real lion's mane! In the Eighties we looked back at Ali McGraw's flat centre-parted hair in horror. It seemed like the ultimate frumpy do. We wanted big hair! I'd never have guessed that the Seventies flat centre-part would come around again and stay for decades! I miss my Eighties perm and hair mousse! Sorry for the tangent - Kylie's old hair took me right back.

Another thing is that there wasn't the pressure to have sleek hair, even when your hair is naturally curly and frizzy. You scrunched and went!

I have several friends who haven’t had children, they look the same age as the rest of us. One of them looks substantially older.

Speak for yourself. It's not aged me, or most women with children that I know.

And as I (and several others have said) there are plenty of childfree women who look older than their age, and their peers who have children look roughly their age or younger.

I know some childfree women don't like to hear this, but I can't do anything about that.