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AIBU to think the UK should have a National Food Service again? (Like we basically had in WW2)

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Staybymw · 05/12/2025 05:49

During WW2 and for years after, the UK did have a kind of National Food Service.
The government controlled prices, ran bakeries, managed rationing, guaranteed flour/milk supplies, and kept basic staples affordable so people didn’t starve. It wasn’t fancy, but it worked.

So with the cost of living crisis now, rising food prices, food banks everywhere, and benefits going up because families literally can’t afford groceries… why don’t we bring back a modern version?

I’m not talking about anything complicated.
I mean basic, no-frills staples produced not for profit:

  • bread
  • rice
  • pasta
  • tinned tomatoes
  • flour
  • oats
  • basic cooking oil
  • tinned veg / beans

All stuff we can grow or easily manufacture in the UK.

If the government owned the land, the factories, and the distribution, they could:

  • create thousands of jobs ( more people paying tax)
  • stabilise food prices
  • make sure no one goes hungry
  • massively reduce the need for benefits to keep rising
  • put pressure on supermarkets to stop hiking prices

Other countries already do versions of this:

France controls wheat prices
Japan buys rice from farmers and sells it back at stable prices
Egypt subsidises bread for millions
India has state-run ration shops
Brazil provides government food baskets
Saudi Arabia subsidises milk, flour, staples through state industry

It’s not a wild idea lots of countries see food as a strategic, essential service.

A National Food Service would mean:

  • no shareholders to pay
  • no profit margin
  • steady UK jobs
  • cheaper food
  • more secure supply chains
  • less reliance on private companies
  • more tax revenue from the workers it employs

It could help families massively.
Especially those who are working but still struggling, or whose benefits are swallowed by food prices.

Given everything going on, food inflation, child poverty, constant arguments about increasing benefits, would a simple, not-for-profit national food range actually save money in the long run?

OP posts:
CraftyGin · 05/12/2025 14:29

How would these government-issued foods be packaged? Would they be in packaging that could possibly embarrass the purchaser?

Greggsit · 05/12/2025 14:26

Staybymw · 05/12/2025 14:16

The same way businesses start and make profits. There will be an initial cost but after that it would be making money.

It would be open to all of the public to buy, some people will some people won’t.

How on earth would it make money? You've already been told that the profit in a supermarket on food staples like this, is at most 2%. But you want to lower costs, so that will have to come down. And you will also have set up a whole new growing, manufacturing and storage system that needs paying for. All while producing rice and tomatoes cheaper than where they naturally grow! It doesn't make sense.

brunettemic · 05/12/2025 14:25

Staybymw · 05/12/2025 14:16

The same way businesses start and make profits. There will be an initial cost but after that it would be making money.

It would be open to all of the public to buy, some people will some people won’t.

Yes but businesses use their profits to support the start up costs. Your idea has a huge cash outlay followed by a reduced cash inflow because of heavily restricted profits. that will lead to failure. In a government world it leads to more government debt.

CraftyGin · 05/12/2025 14:20

Alicorn1707 · 05/12/2025 13:57

We, the UK is ranked as the world's sixth-largest economy.

31% of our children in the UK live in poverty. Just think about that.

It means 4.5 million children, @Staybymw

To re-iterate* 4.5 MILLION of the children, in OUR country, in the 21st century are in households with incomes below the poverty line*.

WHY? there is zero political will to resolve it.

Too many benefit scroungers doncha know and I'm alright jack-ers,

It is a damned disgrace and shameful and leads some of our well-meaning population to think of trite solutions.

It is well within the political remit of both our current and previous governments to have resolved!!

No can do, too many vested interests highly likely.

Considering that a child in poverty is one living in a household of less than 60% median income, you are always going to have a large number of children in poverty.

SnoopyandSweep · 05/12/2025 14:18

Millytante · 05/12/2025 13:32

You only just need the past tense there, in relation to Ireland!
Priti ‘Vacant’ Patel, during the knotty wrangles over the terms of Brexit re Northern Ireland, actually suggested in public starving out ‘the Irish’ in order to make us toe her party line (the mad witch! Clearly thought we belong to GB).
Every jaw in Ireland was on the floor at that one. 🙄

Absolutely. Some people on this thread have very short memories. Shocking isn't it

Bambamhoohoo · 05/12/2025 14:17

Staybymw · 05/12/2025 14:16

The same way businesses start and make profits. There will be an initial cost but after that it would be making money.

It would be open to all of the public to buy, some people will some people won’t.

This makes no sense.

you're talking about the compulsory purchase of numerous farms, warehousing and supply chain. How can that not cost anything upfront?!

Staybymw · 05/12/2025 14:16

brunettemic · 05/12/2025 14:02

How on earth would setting up this massive government machine not cost money? The initial setup would take years to pay back otherwise prices would have to be high to cover it.

The same way businesses start and make profits. There will be an initial cost but after that it would be making money.

It would be open to all of the public to buy, some people will some people won’t.

OP posts:
Staybymw · 05/12/2025 14:14

surreygirly · 05/12/2025 11:51

No
I do not want to pay more tax thanks

It would raise tax money not cost tax money

OP posts:
Alicorn1707 · 05/12/2025 14:05

@ThisMintSwan

"Relative poverty" oh well that's ok then, it's all relative after all!

brunettemic · 05/12/2025 14:02

Staybymw · 05/12/2025 06:33

Why would it cost money? Businesses do this everyday and make millions in profit. This would be not for profit so after all of the costs have been accounted for then they sell the food to the public without profit, not at a loss.

People working to produce, package and sell these items would be paying tax on top of it too.

It wouldn’t be a benefit replacement but it would stop the rise in benefits being needed and the increase in food banks would drop.

It would only be for the very basic items such as pasta, flour, oats and certain tinned foods.

How on earth would setting up this massive government machine not cost money? The initial setup would take years to pay back otherwise prices would have to be high to cover it.

ThisMintSwan · 05/12/2025 14:00

Alicorn1707 · 05/12/2025 13:57

We, the UK is ranked as the world's sixth-largest economy.

31% of our children in the UK live in poverty. Just think about that.

It means 4.5 million children, @Staybymw

To re-iterate* 4.5 MILLION of the children, in OUR country, in the 21st century are in households with incomes below the poverty line*.

WHY? there is zero political will to resolve it.

Too many benefit scroungers doncha know and I'm alright jack-ers,

It is a damned disgrace and shameful and leads some of our well-meaning population to think of trite solutions.

It is well within the political remit of both our current and previous governments to have resolved!!

No can do, too many vested interests highly likely.

31% of children live in relative poverty. Relative poverty can't be resolved. It is impossible. And food prices aren't the problem.

Alicorn1707 · 05/12/2025 13:57

We, the UK is ranked as the world's sixth-largest economy.

31% of our children in the UK live in poverty. Just think about that.

It means 4.5 million children, @Staybymw

To re-iterate* 4.5 MILLION of the children, in OUR country, in the 21st century are in households with incomes below the poverty line*.

WHY? there is zero political will to resolve it.

Too many benefit scroungers doncha know and I'm alright jack-ers,

It is a damned disgrace and shameful and leads some of our well-meaning population to think of trite solutions.

It is well within the political remit of both our current and previous governments to have resolved!!

No can do, too many vested interests highly likely.

Millytante · 05/12/2025 13:54

Maryberrysbouffant · 05/12/2025 07:48

Absolutely.

We’d be better off bringing home economics back to the school curriculum so people learn how to cook simple food from scratch (and how to make the famous MN chicken last a week)

Isnt it taught any more? God even I had sewing and domestic science lessons at school (it was a very academic kind of place) and both turned out to have been excellent investments.
When I later attended a state school, the boys there all learned woodwork and metalwork, the lucky beggars. I hope that’s still going on, though cookery would be more use than metalwork I guess!

Millytante · 05/12/2025 13:47

RedTagAlan · 05/12/2025 07:16

While not a totally fair comparison really, I would argue loads of things re privitisation were cheaper. Water, trains, post phones.

And while I don't agree with the OP re having a State owned staple food brand, I do think there are valid arguments for state owned utilities.

Private utilities often get a state subsidy to operate, but because they are private they need a profit. Supplying that becomes the burden of the customer.

Just one specific example to your question is trains. Rail track, is state owned, the train operators are private ( mostly), the taxpayer pays 12 billion, funding half the industry cost. Yet the shareholders still get their cut. Yet train fare are unaffordable for many.

Rail industry finance (UK) – April 2024 to March 2025 (orr.gov.uk)

I think the water companies are the same.

Edit to add energy. I recall gas and leccy where cheaper back in the day, pre sell off ?

Edited

I’m all for renationalising all utilities, (and banning the NHS from sharing staff or resources/ facilities with private medicine)

Millytante · 05/12/2025 13:40

My immediate reaction, irrespective of the merits or demerits of the notion, was that it'd be one long, tawdry saga of Big Food lobbying, bungs, parliamentary enquiries, and shamed ministers.

The WW2 theme would include the renewed exertions of spivs, who as a genus never went away and who’v had many decades in which to hone their activities, and they'd be flogging out of date government olive oil off the back of lorries at Sunday markets along with the usual packs of twenty Shergarburgers for two quid.
Happy days are here again! .

AgnesMcDoo · 05/12/2025 13:35

No thank you - sounds horrendous

RedToothBrush · 05/12/2025 13:33

CraftyGin · 05/12/2025 12:24

It's beggars' belief that people can't cook. Presumably we've all had Home Economics/Food Technology lessons at school.

I know it must be harder if your own mother/carer did not have confidence in cooking, but there are so many resources available. It's pretty easy to follow a recipe in a book or BBC Good Food or YouTube. It doesn't have to be great first time, but you learn by doing.

If you don't have pots and pans, or utensils, may these could go on the Christmas list. I'm not sure if you can easily get these at charity shops, but you certainly can from organisations such as Besom.

As for time, there are loads of recipe books for meals in under 30 minutes. Surely even a very busy person has 30 minutes? An Iceland special probably takes longer than this.

The home ex course I had at school in the 1990s were a complete and utter waste of time.

There's nothing about budgeting and using left overs. There was nothing on core skills. It was just make a random meal you'd never cook again ever for a stupid cost. And one you wouldn't eat in the first bloody place.

Millytante · 05/12/2025 13:32

SnoopyandSweep · 05/12/2025 06:29

Add in Bengal and Ireland to that. It didn't just happen in communist regimes. I think you should have a look at the history of the British Empire if you want to look at the government using starvation as state policy.

You only just need the past tense there, in relation to Ireland!
Priti ‘Vacant’ Patel, during the knotty wrangles over the terms of Brexit re Northern Ireland, actually suggested in public starving out ‘the Irish’ in order to make us toe her party line (the mad witch! Clearly thought we belong to GB).
Every jaw in Ireland was on the floor at that one. 🙄

THisbackwithavengeance · 05/12/2025 13:27

Food is already relatively cheap. Basics such as bread and essentials are rock bottom.

Food is not the problem. The cost of gas, electricity and council tax is the issue

Maryaliceyoungx · 05/12/2025 13:24

Staybymw · 05/12/2025 11:06

Again, no, not nationalisation but alongside what we already have

You havnt really explained how it’s going to be cheaper? Or where these jobs you are creating are coming from?

xanthomelana · 05/12/2025 13:14

SuckerForBread · 05/12/2025 07:50

What’s the incentive for supermarkets and shops to give up profitable retail space for it?

This. People don’t realise how much they are already making from companies paying to have their products placed in the best position on the shelves. They are not going to lose that revenue to let the government put their stuff there instead.

CraftyGin · 05/12/2025 13:02

Lemonandlimefizzywater · 05/12/2025 12:57

I’ve got all the aids that OT can provide.

I can’t safely cook. As deemed by them at assessment.

For a start, im not able to stand safely and I can’t safely handle knives.

I want to cook. I’m not physically able to.

when did you do your OT training?

Start another thread instead of derailing this one.

Lemonandlimefizzywater · 05/12/2025 12:57

CraftyGin · 05/12/2025 12:52

Occupational therapy?

That's if you want to cook. If you can afford not to, then fine.

I’ve got all the aids that OT can provide.

I can’t safely cook. As deemed by them at assessment.

For a start, im not able to stand safely and I can’t safely handle knives.

I want to cook. I’m not physically able to.

when did you do your OT training?

CraftyGin · 05/12/2025 12:53

Bambamhoohoo · 05/12/2025 12:32

No they’re not?! The only ones moaning are the busybodies obsessed with what other people may or may not be eating. Which is none of their business

Wallets open, mouths shut.

CraftyGin · 05/12/2025 12:52

Lemonandlimefizzywater · 05/12/2025 12:27

I can’t cook because I’m disabled.

how are you going to mitigate that?

Occupational therapy?

That's if you want to cook. If you can afford not to, then fine.