Eurovision…… can’t handle this 💩 anymore!

I agree that they could have at least given Israel a "time out" to sort out their affairs given the contest was used as propaganda by Netenyahus governement.

I woudl like to have heard their discussion about this.

Russia were expelled from the EBU. Not the same at all

Plus Russia launched an unprovoked attack on an innocent, sovereign state

The hostages taken by Hamas were also raped - both men and women. And saying toddlers were shot in the head is twisting the narrative to something it’s not. Yes, children were killed during the attempts by Israel to retrieve the hostages, which no-one wanted, but please don’t imply that toddlers were lined up and shot in the head….

I genuinely don't think they could have come with the "peace and unity" with both Russia and Ukraine in the contest.

Other people manage. Armenia and Azerbaijan, Russia and Georgia, Greece and Cyprus. Admittedly the cancel machine went into overdrive around Russia, with supermarkets refusing to stock (Polish) vodka and renaming (French) chicken dishes etc, but it's disappointing that Eurovision bought into it too.

Never said they were. In some wars, there are no good guys. You don’t have to pick a side in every single conflict that goes on around the globe.

I was being pedantic but thanks for your contribution.

I think it has lost credibility for not banning Israel. If you ban Russia you must ban Israel

They are committing genocide, and every credible organisation from the UN to Amnesty International agrees. They suffered a horrific terrorist attack - that does not excuse GENOCIDE.

You do realise that it’s possible for neither side to have the high ground? That it’s possible for people to despise Hamas while also believing that Israel is committing human rights abuses? In some wars - in fact, in a lot of wars, both sides are bad. And the fact that one side is worse does not excuse abominable acts committed by the ‘better’ side.

Israel’s cause may be just, but that doesn’t mean that it’s impossible for them to have crossed moral lines in the process of pursuing that cause.

Killing and burning to death women and children is not self defence. Don’t be surprised if people don’t like you when you do it.

Lets keep the discussion to Eurovison Song Contest and how we think it will effect it?

Do you think that it will cause issues with the contest in Vienna this year?

Don't know why it's Eurovision should be worldvison.

Unless the people are Jewish of course

This. And after the ceasefire Hamas where killing their own people in front of their families to make a point. So no they don't have the moral high ground either.

By shooting toddlers in the head and raping men in prison

Eh? Turning the channel over is boycotting Eurovision. What did you think that meant? I think you’ve had bit too much to drink this evening.

Not sure what you’re talking about? Are you not allowed to compete in Eurovision?

You do get that that line - ‘Hamas could have stopped it at any time’ - does not give Israel carte blanche to commit all the human rights abuses it wants to, right? Have you thought about the implications of that for even a moment?

Does it justify Israeli soldiers sodomising Palestinian detainees - many of whom have never been charged with a crime or allowed to have their day in court - with sharp objects?

Not at all we are just well used to be being occupied by people who have no claim to our land, who destroy our history, our language and our country, and are sympathetic to the cause of those who suffer the same fate.

Finally someone who is willing to talk about Eurovision :)

I disagree with them not kicking out Russia because I genuinely don't think they could have come with the "peace and unity" with both Russia and Ukraine in the contest.

It is more complicated with Israel because a) the history of anti-semitism/immigrant history within Europe and b) their conflict is not with a country in the EBU.

Nobody should be kicked out of Eurovision. The organisers made a mistake doing this with Russia because now they've left themselves open to demands to do the same with whatever country gets put on the naughty step next, and then other people speak in defence of that country, and then you get bands of for and against, and you might as well not bother.

In the early days of Eurovision, all of the participants had very recent chequered pasts, and many had chequered presents, and that has continued to be the case throughout. Nobody got banned though - if they were recognised as a country, and they could get to the competition, they could take part.

Sure there were rumblings and alliances and grievances but there wasn't this compunction for "calling out" and all the posturing moralising that goes with it. Now they've started down the road it's difficult to see how they can pull back from it.

What are you talking about? People annoyed because a Russian or Israeli is on the television? I clearly don’t live in your world! So we boycott TV because they show the Eurovision? Just turn the channel over? It’s absolutely ridiculous.

Not when Hamas had control of the situation. To stop the Palestinians dying, all they ever had to do was release the hostages. But they were on a power trip and pocketing millions in the process, which was more important to them than the death of their own people it seems…

This.

These claims can go around in circles forever, on October 7th 2023 Hamas gang raped and sodomised young women, desecrated their bodies and dragged then dying through the streets to the cheers of men, women and children; they're not the victims or the good guys.