Eurovision…… can’t handle this 💩 anymore!

Do you seriously think that just because the Palestinians started it this time, that gives Israel carte blanche to commit all the human rights abuses they want in return? Have you thought about the horrifying implications of that for more than 2 seconds?

People who have been victimised can still do bad things. Men who were sexually abused as children are far more likely to themselves become abusers - that helps explain, but does not excuse their actions. They are still guilty.

I think it is important that the discussion on this thread is focused purely on Eurovision. I am sure there are many threads on this forum that you can discuss the Israel-Hammas conflict.

Would you be concerned about the safety of the Israeli contestant if they perform this year, and if Israel do not get through to the final would you automatically assume that it was rigged?

Just because Israel was attacked, it does not give them carte blanche to commit all the human rights abuses they want in return.

Both sides are bad. You don’t have to pick one and defend everything they do. That’s the real groupthink, and you are just as guilty of it.

Awesome thanks for that its really helpful.

But why did Israel attack?

I'll wait.

The Palestinian babies - and many, many, more of them - are just as dead. Do you think it makes a difference to their mothers whether the thing that killed them was fired from a gun or dropped from a plane?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg77pxj2mno.amp

Plus too much influence from Israeli politicians etc.

It is childish, and simplistic, but it's what people like - a clear narrative of good guy bad guy and everyone claps and cheers.

Ffs

Yes, this. ^ I can't believe anyone can possibly think any different. It's bizarre. There's some real groupthink shit going on when it comes to this.

Are you human at all?

Yes babies were killed but we didn't line them up.....

I actually have no words

100% agree @SheThinksShesAllThat You won't get many on MN agreeing though. 🙄 Pulling out of the Eurovision Song Contest next year (because Israel is going to take part in it) is childish and pathetic. I will be embarrassed to show my face in mainland Europe again if the UK pulls out!

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For hundreds of millions of Eastern Europeans and for hundreds of millions Western Europeans who care about the security of our continent.

Can you explain how they broke the voting rules?

You have the luxury of taking that position because these issues don’t affect you directly.

Same as you brushing off Armenia, Georgia etc then?

They broke voting rules for Eurovision but blame it on people being anti-Semitic why don't you? 🙄

The Russian invasion of Ukraine has broader geographical implications in a way that none of those other conflicts did (or at least, were perceived to have at the time).

For you.

You have the luxury of taking that position because these issues don’t affect you directly. Hundreds of millions of Eastern Europeans can’t say the same thing.

Yeah get with the programme. We all have to be moral arbiters of everything now, and to apply the ever changing filter of our morality to every aspect of life.

I agree, I feel for the people of Israel a majority of whom are quite appaulled by the actions of their government in the same way that most British people were appaulled about the Trans-atlantic slave trade and the Indian Genocide when they learned about it.

Well, you are in the minority.

I agree with you OP! Its pathetic.

Hamas should have protected their people by releasing the hostages. What did the kidnaps and murders achieve? Nothing, but thousands of people dead. Israel have every right to be in the Eurovision. If other countries want to have tantrums about it, then let them crack on.

Of course I do. I don't even pretend to understand the rights and wrongs of it.
I don't think politics should be brought into a stupid music competition or sport. The people competing don't have anything to do with the running of their respective countries.

You get that there are multiple countries in Eurovision who are also directly threatened by Russia? Ukraine, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and Poland, for starters, would have pulled out had Russia been allowed to continue to participate.

Armenia and Azerbaijan are pretty much the only countries who care about their conflict (well besides Turkey, but they’re on the side of Azerbaijan who were undeniably the aggressors in the most recent outbreak of that war so would hardly have pulled out over Azerbaijan’s continued inclusion).

Greece and Cyprus are friends and allies - I think you mean Greece and Turkey (with Turkey being the country that is occupying northern Cyprus)…

And in the case of the Russian invasion of Georgia in 2008, it was far enough away that Europeans could pretend it didn’t have European implications.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine has broader geographical implications in a way that none of those other conflicts did (or at least, were perceived to have at the time).