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Doctor lying on report..

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Anon662120622 · 04/12/2025 13:27

So I've sent a very blunt email with threats to report to the ombudsman and GMC after appointment with specialist.. Long story short - Shoulder trauma injury, felt shoulder pop out and tear. Still no improvement after 21 weeks, unable to lift arm out any further than 30 degrees. Extreme impact on quality of life

I've been to multiple appointments and four physio sessions (referred by doctor.) Last one was extremely dismissive and actually lied in the report. Physio wrote a letter suggesting he thought I had a paralysed muscle, muscle wastage and nerve damage. Doctor completely wrote that of as he "doesn't trust that physio" because he doesn't specialise in my kind of injury... Why send me there and waste two whole months then?! He told me I was holding my arm down.. it's completely deformed, as mentioned above, I felt it like pop out and it was instantly lower.

He lied on the report saying
*I could touch my thumb to my lower lumbar spine which was an outright lie. I can't get my arm to rotate backwards at all.
*He noted there was no muscle wastage - my shoulder is pretty much skin and bones, there has definitely been a massive amount of wastage.

  • noted no weakness of rotator cuff. I'd say not being able to lift my arm out any further than 30 degrees indicates a significant amount of weakness?

I've written a complaint email to the pals team noting that I'm going to complain to the ombudsman and GMC and will even go down the legal route if a delayed diagnosis leads to further problems/permanent paralysis.

I asked for a second opinion and they've just booked me back in to see the same doctor.. fastest response and appointment offer I've ever recieved I might add.

Am I being unreasonable to ask again for a second opinion from a different doctor?
I'm still going to attend the one with the same doctor and have said I'm requesting to be able to audio record this next appointment so any discrepancies can be properly noted with no denial. I'm also requesting for the report to be changed.

I believe the reason he said all of the lies as mentioned would be to downplay my injury to avoid having to take the reasonable steps to treat me properly? He referred me to a rehab saying they'd give me a diagnosis on my first appointment and he'd trust everything they say. They phoned to book my appointment and told me that the doctors massively lie and act like they're some kind of miracle workers. They said they're essentially just another physio and they wouldn't be able to give me a diagnosis.)

I've honestly just had enough, I'm going to have to pay to go private.. maybe our NI and Tax should be a thing of the past, or massively dropped as we obviously aren't recieving what it's all advertised to be. 🙄

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freakingscared · 04/12/2025 16:39

No you are not being unreasonable. Make sure you tell them you do not trust that doctor and demand another . Clinical negligence is absolutely a issue and it’s getting worse not better

DyslexicPoster · 04/12/2025 16:20

Some GPS like any other human, do have a god complex. My otherwise lovely gp once said to me "I could be wrong but I seldom am" I felt very sad for his wife in that moment. I pointed out he was just another flawed human not a robot and he got things wrong with me in the past. Unless he has MRI eyeballs there's always things he needs to refer up. I think in my GPS case it unwillingness to be wrong, rather than malice.

Just ask to see another gp. Say it's not personal if you need to.

Beeloux · 04/12/2025 16:11

Wouldn't surprise me. I’ve experienced one lying before. My ex is a GP and I used to hear about many cover ups going on.

Of course there is many wonderful doctors but some are incompetent, have god complexes and are in it for the money.

ProblemStarbuckshabit · 04/12/2025 16:10

As an orthopaedic surgeon I think you are being very reasonable to ask for a second opinion.
An alternative would be to take the second appointment with the same consultant, take the letter and ask him how he came to the conclusion you can reach your lumbar spine. He might not be deliberately lying about the other two things - muscle wasting is very subjective and lifting the shoulder above 30 degrees is done by the deltoid muscle, so difficulties doing this are not due to rotator cuff weakness. Was it uncomfortable for you? - sometimes the pain can inhibit the movement.
Unless you are visiting a large hospital there may only be one shoulder specialist working there - you would need to referral to another hospital to get the second opinion - in this case it may be better to see the initial doctor and challenge him / explain the bits of the letter that you disagree with / try and work things out.
I think you need to actually have suffered harm as a result of the doctors negligence to have a legal case so I'm not sure you will achieve anything form going this route.
Before you see anyone again have a think about what you want to happen. There is no magic wand for the conditions you describe on your MRI but expressing your hopes and expectations will allow whoever sees you to take these into account and if what you want is not something that they would recommend, at least they can explain why.

Anon662120622 · 04/12/2025 16:07

@Catiette thank you, that has given me some reassurance.. I will try another physio

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Anon662120622 · 04/12/2025 16:05

godmum56 · 04/12/2025 15:50

so glad you got a good outcome

Thank you 😊

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Anon662120622 · 04/12/2025 16:03

@deliberations yes, I think they're taking it seriously.. I've had one missed call this morning to arrange an appointment and another to discuss further what I'm unhappy about. They have now changed it to a different orthopedic specialist and have said if I'm still unhappy with the outcome after the upcoming appointment then they'll refer me to a different hospital with a fresh team of specialists.. this has definitely made me feel a little better.

Yes, I had two different xrays (two different a+e visits after injury) then had an mri showing burstitis, tendinopathy and thinning of the subscapularis but they also said there must be more involved due to the pain I was in, such limited movement and the dropped shoulder.

Yes, last dr suggested no frozen shoulder but that's the one I was unhappy with so I'm not too sure if the next one will look into that further. 🤞

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Catiette · 04/12/2025 15:58

Anon662120622 · 04/12/2025 13:34

@JC19827 The physio has done all he can do, there's nothing a physio can do to fix an arm that has no ability to do what they want it to do. He said the should at the minimum offer to do nerve testing to see how buggered they are. I'm told something different every time I'm seen.. impingement, nerve damage, torn rotator cuff, burstitis, tendinopathy, thinning of subscapularis. I honestly have no trust and can't see any light at the end of the tunnel anymore.

Not a medic, and subject to medical advice including second opinions, but I wouldn't write off physio. In my experience, they can be transformative, but it may take a while to find the right one.

I've been in the position where a surgeon proposed operating to discern the issue, but a physio. solved it (unusual, I'm sure, so, again, #seeyourdr!)

And in the position when physio. made it much, much worse - before I tried a different one who worked on the same condition to, basically, change my life.

I've also been in the position, recovering from broken bones, when movement has been impossible. Not difficult, or painful, but like moving a joint is like trying to bend steel - like, your body absolutely, fundamentally knows that it was never meant to move that way, any more than an elbow can turn inside out. Yet, with physio., over time, it did.

You really need to stick at it and work on it in your own time, though. I've never had a recovery that lasted less than 6 months to a year, and no recovery yet has been absolute, back-to-normal and not required some maintenance treatment.

BillieWiper · 04/12/2025 15:58

x2boys · 04/12/2025 13:38

The actually said Doctors lie ?
In those words ?

Yeah I'm really struggling to believe that. It fits in with OPs narrative neatly but those exact words? I'd be very very surprised.

Newbutoldfather · 04/12/2025 15:53

People always say can you afford to pay something like £250 for a private appointment.

I am all for using the private sector but you have to be realistic. £350 is far closer to an average appointment now, but then ths consultant will want at least an MRI (£400 + in most places) and a follow up appointment at maybe £250. So that is close to £1k just to get a diagnosis.

Then you have to either pay for private treatment (probably several thousand) or go back into the NHS system with the diagnosis. The two systems don’t communicate that well, so that can take time.

Private is only an alternative for this kind of thing if you are prepared to commit £1k for diagnosis and more for treatment.

godmum56 · 04/12/2025 15:50

Anon662120622 · 04/12/2025 14:19

@darkpassenger1 I've just come off the phone to pals, records are being changed and they've changed my appointment to see the main shoulder surgeon.. hopefully he can help me further. 🤞

so glad you got a good outcome

EarthSight · 04/12/2025 15:44

Also - it's entirely reasonable to be angry about having things that didn't happen put into your report, especially if you think it might have been done deliberately.

It won't fix medical misogyny, but it would certainly help if a lot more women were women to escalate things about their treatment!

EarthSight · 04/12/2025 15:41

Am I being unreasonable to ask again for a second opinion from a different doctor

NO!

Absolutely get a 2nd opinion! Don't go to the same doctor.

If you want to see them jump, make sure you contact their health board about this.

BakedBeing · 04/12/2025 15:29

NeedyLemonCat · 04/12/2025 13:43

Have you actually seen a shoulder surgeon or not?

You sound hard work. Good luck with that GMC referral and recording appointments 😂

You sound hard work.

Usually best to avoid a cliched phrase that’s only ever used to be a dick to someone.

Allthings · 04/12/2025 15:28

It’s not clear if you are unhappy with the outcome of the complaint you made. The ombudsman will not review your case until you have been through the complaints process.

Deliberations · 04/12/2025 15:15

@Anon662120622 It sounds like your complaint has at least now been looked at and am I right that you now have another appointment with a different orthopaedic specialist?

I'm assuming you had an x-ray around the time of the trauma you suffered and you've had an MRI?

Hopefully you will get some more answers at your new appointment.
Another poster above has also suggested this - but have any of your Dr's or the physio's considered Frozen Shoulder? You can get this as a result of a trauma - and also can cause somewhat of the deformity you shared a photo of. Also this is an incredibly painful condition - and is not easy to treat.

I'm not a medic though and it could be many things that's causing you so much pain and loss of movement.
Try to be realistic with any NHS physio/rehab. They generally can do little - certainly very limited hands on therapy so now you have a new appointment it might be better to save any money for private physio.

rre · 04/12/2025 15:03

You shouldn’t have too but as pp said, sometimes if you can afford it going out of the system to a private dr can be wonderful as they’re having to look at what’s in front of them instead of previous notes. This is what progressed me forward when I was stuck in a situation with a dr keep saying I was anxious and not actually looking or dealing with the problem

EvelynBeatrice · 04/12/2025 15:01

EstherGreenwood63 · 04/12/2025 14:58

A lot of them are menz goaders here to goad women.

Perhaps - I’d rather think that - but I’m afraid some of them are in fact the significant minority of medical professionals who give the excellent majority a bad name!

Fdsew · 04/12/2025 15:00

Having had 3 normal natural births, my shoulder pain was worse for comparison.
I can well understand and sympathise with the OPs fury.
Yes, their are some lazy shite doctors out there.
Life can be tough if you have one.
Thankfully I don't.

Manxexile · 04/12/2025 15:00

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No but that's not the point.

I was responding to soemone saying the physio can corroborate that the Dr was "lying".

My point is that unless the physio was present during the Dr's examination of the OP (unlike her husband) they cannot corroborate anything about the Dr's notes.

EstherGreenwood63 · 04/12/2025 14:58

EvelynBeatrice · 04/12/2025 14:48

Anger seems a totally normal response to me as a reaction to a purportedly professional person writing untrue statements in a report that will potentially have a significant impact on the person’s health and well being.

I sometimes think that there are posters on here who would even find an excuse for premeditated murder if the perpetrator was a medical professional in the NHS!

A lot of them are menz goaders here to goad women.

Manxexile · 04/12/2025 14:58

Anon662120622 · 04/12/2025 14:16

@manxexile I have challenged this in my complaint.. I can't really just storm in there and demand to talk to him can I?

Why do you need to storm in anywhere?

Why can't you just raise the notes discrepancy with him?

As I understand it you've complained to PALS with a threat to make a complaint to the GMC but you haven't said that you've actually addressed your concerns with the Dr in question, and given him an opportunity to explain what he's done and why.

Have you raised it with him beause that's what I'd want to do before making a formal complaint

x12 · 04/12/2025 14:56

I sometimes think that there are posters on here who would even find an excuse for premeditated murder if the perpetrator was a medical professional in the NHS

And teaching! 😆

Lordofmyflies · 04/12/2025 14:54

Shoulders are incredibly complex joints OP. Very often the initial problem, e.g subluxation which presents with its own series of signs or symptoms can lead to a tendonitis or secondary problem due the the joint compensation from pain and hence a second assessment may reveal pain in a different area or different examination results.

20 weeks is not long in terms of shoulder pain recovery. If physio has not worked, I think you now need imaging (MRI) to ascertain the damage and have a management plan going forwards. You may wait 3 months on NHS or privately in a week. It’s not right that you have to pay but that’s the choice we have. Get well soon

Pistolpunk · 04/12/2025 14:53

The shoulder looks dropped which is similar to how mine looks at the moment but I had compressed a nerve from my neck and its caused arm and hand weakness so can lift my arm so far before it gets weak and heavy and cant get it behind my back. My issues stem from my neck due to bone spurs but pain is worse in my shoulder even though it's coming from my neck.