To dislike male cleaners in female public toilets?

But if we’re really talking about keeping women safe by having strictly female-only spaces, why are male cleaners/plumbers etc exempt from this rule?

As we're so often told though, it's not just about safety, it's about privacy and dignity. That applies to men and women surely.

At no point did I say that I didn't "agree" with men cleaning women's toilets, or vice versa. I simply said I understood the OP's discomfort at finding men in the ladies. I also said that it didn't particularly bother me personally. So you'll just have to try harder, won't you.

Only when they close the toilets because it’s a male cleaner, they do this at the gym I go to, with toilets and showers it’s so inconvenient. If it’s a female they stay open.

Why is this facile comment always trotted out like some sort of gotcha?! Women do not, as a class, represent a physical or sexual threat to the safety of men. There’s no equivalence.

Presumably you don't agree with women cleaning mens toilets then

I've never liked it. Personally I think they should make an effort to assign female cleaners to the female toilets and male cleaners to the male toilets. I understand it's not always possible but I always feel very uncomfortable if there's a man knocking around in there.

Why does it matter?

It's called an A frame hazard/safety sign @ErrolTheDragon .

His "non-urgent" mirror cleaning I most likely the last bit of his cleaning routine OP - having done the toilets, sinks before you arrived.

doesnt bother me in the slightest...maybe purchase a laser key and use the disabled if youre that anxious...

You sound lovely.

I don’t care….

Surely you can see the difference between a male employee doing his job and any random man off the street who fancies going into the ladies?

I wouldn't feel unsafe but I'd feel undignified if a man can hear me pee

it is not remotely the same thing.
If there is a sign - you can choose not to go in.

To be honest I don’t really think any toilets should have an outer door.

Either sinks in the cubicles, or just take the door of as who cares if people can see you washing your hands.

The fact there’s an outer door does give opportunities for a nutter to walk in to a secluded space, I always think.

I don't like it. Not to the point of being distressed, but I really don't like it. The women's toilets are often a space I use to take a breather, to be away from the "male gaze", to touch up my make-up in the mirrors, to adjust my clothes or even my bra strap in the mirrors. The whole "vibe" and comfort of the women's toilets changes if a man is in there, for any reason.

I've had women ask me if they look ok, had little chats by the mirrors, even a spot of dancing with other women in club toilets that play music. I can't see any of that happening if a man were present.

Ideally, any male cleaner should be doing the job before or after business hours. When I was a pub cleaner, I used to clean, including both toilets, before we opened.

This really.

They can’t really be expected to hire a separate cleaner for each loo, and never had one to cover the other’s shifts.

It does feel weird to walk into the women's toilets and see a man, and yes, slightly uncomfortable, but more from an instinctive feeling that 'you don't belong here' than any rational or conscious concern about it.
The exception being if its secluded and I'm the only person in there. In this case I'd probably leave. The assault of a woman at my station by a man who had put on a high viz vest and knelt down pretending to do something to the sink tends to come to mind.

I couldn’t care less who is doing the cleaning, I’m just happy that someone is and therefore I can use clean toilets. My bladder and bowels don’t care either.

I like clean toilets and I'm grateful that someone is prepared to do the unpleasant jobs.

It doesn't particularly bother me OP, but I do understand. Are women ever entirely safe with men? No, they aren't. So for that reason you are not being unreasonable. However, if I was breaking my neck for a pee I'd just get on with it. I might think differently if the toilet in question was in a particularly isolated place though. As for "unncessary cleaning". I think you're being unreasonable there. The cleaners' supervisor will expect them to look busy throughout their shift and they could be in trouble if they're perceived to be slacking.

In an ideal world it would be men/women cleaners in men/women's toilets but if that's not possible it's better that the loos are cleaned.

There is a sign warning you, plus they usually have the door propped open. At least these men have a legitimate reason for being there.

I've never had a problem.

They don't necessarily agree with you. They just don't think it unreasonable to think what you think. The world's full of reasonable people we disagree with.

I don't like it either OP and I have a shy bladder. If I think there is a man in the toilet I can't pee.

I don't mind men cleaning the toilet, but I don't use the facilities while they are in there if I can help it.