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girlfriend44 · 2025-12-04T12:34:07+00:00

[[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj4q9pxyv7go.amp https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj4q9pxyv7go.amp]] Poor women having to deal with him. Is there any point to his life. Dosent seem like he wants to live himself?

OnlyMabelInTheBuilding · 04/12/2025 15:23

HRTQueen · 04/12/2025 14:20

I agree Bambamhoohoo

Its a life we can not relate to and difficult to understand but ultimate a very very lonely life

I don’t give a single shit how lonely he is.

ComtesseDeSpair · 04/12/2025 15:20

dottiehens · 04/12/2025 15:11

This!

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The whole point of human rights is that everyone has them. If the criteria is amended to “rights for humans except the humans whom the government decides shouldn’t have rights” we’re into a snowstorm.

Valuing human rights doesn’t mean being supportive of those who commit crimes, but recognising that the government of the day defining who they believe is worthy of life is a bad idea.

TallulahBetty · 04/12/2025 15:17

dairydebris · 04/12/2025 14:21

I agree with this- I can't remember where I read this- but something about how the price humans pay for their remarkably adaptable powerful brains is the outliers in society like this. I think we have to accommodate him. He's a human. He's paying the price.
Awfully unfair for the angels looking after him though.

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Why do we have to accommodate him?

TallulahBetty · 04/12/2025 15:16

Pavementworrier · 04/12/2025 13:00

He's profoundly autistic. He just has a different brain.

I do think it's insane to make so much effort to stop him ending it all, that's not an irrational preference on his part.

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Agreed. Let him. No loss to anyone

TallulahBetty · 04/12/2025 15:15

Bambamhoohoo · 04/12/2025 14:55

Someone in the care and legal responsibility of the authorities can not be allowed to kill themselves, no.

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No, but they should be allowed.

TallulahBetty · 04/12/2025 15:13

Gagamama2 · 04/12/2025 12:58

Oh my god what have I just read. That poor 6 year old, how absolutely terrifying for him and his parents who must be heartbroken.

I’m very conflicted because on the one hand he is despicable and I want to hate him and be angry he is allowed to live.

On the other hand, he is clinically diagnosed with autism and psychopathy. So he can’t control his behaviour, or how his brain is wired.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Bravery-sentence-complete.pdf

Giving birth to a child like that must be a nightmare come true. His poor parents. Absolutely no winners here

Do we know if he ACTUALLY cannot control any aspect of his behaviour? Whether he can or not, he is a danger to society and I cannot see any justification for keeping him alive.

Mizztikle · 04/12/2025 15:13

Bambamhoohoo · 04/12/2025 15:08

He probably is a lot of the time. But that’s not an effective way to manage him. These professionals know what they’re doing. Of course it’s still high risk dealing with someone like him and things go wrong

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I don't agree when 'things going wrong' means loss of a life. Keep him locked up where he cannot harm anyone, sedating him wouldn't be a bad idea either.

alwayseatingnevermoving · 04/12/2025 15:11

Eaglesfortea · 04/12/2025 12:44

YANBU, I don’t see what point we’re making as a society by keeping people like this alive, costing us hundreds of thousands of pounds. The Southport killer too. They should be offered assisted suicide at least.

The issue is, where does this end?

The Southport killer is a disgusting piece of shit, and should be locked away for life.

But when it come to people who are mentally ill (as this man must be, to be in Broadmoor), does the line get drawn at people who are mentally ill and offend? What about people with chronic depression who want to die? Or people with health issues that mean they won’t work? Where does it cross from this into something else?

dottiehens · 04/12/2025 15:11

Fedupofwimps · 04/12/2025 12:51

Someone will be along soon bleating about his human rights!

This!

Bambamhoohoo · 04/12/2025 15:08

Mizztikle · 04/12/2025 15:06

he should be put in a straight jacket and kept in a padded cell.

He probably is a lot of the time. But that’s not an effective way to manage him. These professionals know what they’re doing. Of course it’s still high risk dealing with someone like him and things go wrong

Mizztikle · 04/12/2025 15:06

he should be put in a straight jacket and kept in a padded cell.

Ritaskitchen · 04/12/2025 15:05

He is a very mentally unwell man. Female shouldn’t be expected to tackle a man like that. Instead large and strong male nurses.
I have the same opinion about women prisons officers - especially young naive ones.

ComtesseDeSpair · 04/12/2025 14:59

girlfriend44 · 04/12/2025 14:44

When we get depressed remind ourselves we are lucky we are not him.
Should he have the right to end his life if wants to though?

I wonder if his parents go and see him or any family?

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Personally I believe that everyone should be able to end their lives if they choose to. But overwhelming public opinion is that emergency services, prison staff, and healthcare workers shouldn’t just shrug their shoulders and tell them to get on with it (and legally, those professionals owe a duty of care which prevents them doing so, even if those who want to end their lives have a criminal conviction, or are mentally unwell, or just obnoxious and troublesome.)

Notmymarmosets · 04/12/2025 14:56

Yes I think he should have the right to end his life if he wants to and has capacity. I'm not sure he does have capacity though.

Bambamhoohoo · 04/12/2025 14:55

girlfriend44 · 04/12/2025 14:44

When we get depressed remind ourselves we are lucky we are not him.
Should he have the right to end his life if wants to though?

I wonder if his parents go and see him or any family?

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Someone in the care and legal responsibility of the authorities can not be allowed to kill themselves, no.

Original poster

girlfriend44 · 04/12/2025 14:44

HRTQueen · 04/12/2025 14:20

I agree Bambamhoohoo

Its a life we can not relate to and difficult to understand but ultimate a very very lonely life

When we get depressed remind ourselves we are lucky we are not him.
Should he have the right to end his life if wants to though?

I wonder if his parents go and see him or any family?

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dairydebris · 04/12/2025 14:41

ThisLittlePony · 04/12/2025 14:32

I don’t know if I should be amazed or what from all those who are so compassionate and have some form of sympathy for JB, I just cannot.

He was someone's baby once. His brain is completely incompatible with life in the world. He's hideous. He's a tragedy. I guess I do feel a bit of compassion but I also hope he's successful in ending his own life soon. I think he's a monster and I believe he was born that way. He's gone there and the rest of us are not like him. In a way he's carrying the burden of being a total fuck up for all of us.

Bambamhoohoo · 04/12/2025 14:34

ThisLittlePony · 04/12/2025 14:32

I don’t know if I should be amazed or what from all those who are so compassionate and have some form of sympathy for JB, I just cannot.

Why do you feel you should have sympathy for him?

being aware of the human condition and being able to consider it without emotion isn’t the same sympathy or compassion.

what good with sympathy be? He’s never going to be aware of it.

ThisLittlePony · 04/12/2025 14:32

I don’t know if I should be amazed or what from all those who are so compassionate and have some form of sympathy for JB, I just cannot.

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 04/12/2025 14:24

OliviaBonas · 04/12/2025 13:12

This is what I think too. Tell them they’ll never be released and discuss possible options if they want to make a different choice to life imprisonment. He’s 24 and could live to 100 odd. 3 members of staff 24 hours a day for the next 80 years potentially seems an unfathomable amount of money.

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Long term institutionalisation and severe mental health problems tends to lead to a lower life expectancy.

RachelFanshawe · 04/12/2025 14:23

Eaglesfortea · 04/12/2025 12:44

YANBU, I don’t see what point we’re making as a society by keeping people like this alive, costing us hundreds of thousands of pounds. The Southport killer too. They should be offered assisted suicide at least.

Totally agree.

dairydebris · 04/12/2025 14:21

Bambamhoohoo · 04/12/2025 14:14

I will read the detailed reports later- thank you for posting.

It makes me wince to read comments like “utter filth”. He’s very unwell and broadmoor keeps the public safe from him but likely makes his conditions worse, which will only grow into a bigger problem.

The conditions don’t excuse his crimes but they do dominate his behaviour and he doesn’t know any different

as humans we have to operate with people like this. No one wants to but they’re part of the human condition

I agree with this- I can't remember where I read this- but something about how the price humans pay for their remarkably adaptable powerful brains is the outliers in society like this. I think we have to accommodate him. He's a human. He's paying the price.
Awfully unfair for the angels looking after him though.

HRTQueen · 04/12/2025 14:20

I agree Bambamhoohoo

Its a life we can not relate to and difficult to understand but ultimate a very very lonely life

MarymaryquiteC · 04/12/2025 14:16

Listen to the episode about him on the podcast 'They walk among us'.

Bambamhoohoo · 04/12/2025 14:14

I will read the detailed reports later- thank you for posting.

It makes me wince to read comments like “utter filth”. He’s very unwell and broadmoor keeps the public safe from him but likely makes his conditions worse, which will only grow into a bigger problem.

The conditions don’t excuse his crimes but they do dominate his behaviour and he doesn’t know any different

as humans we have to operate with people like this. No one wants to but they’re part of the human condition