To think its scary how messed up and horrible some people are?

I'm a police officer.
I remember a few weeks after my beautiful, kind and much loved 35 year old best friend died of a brain tumour I interviewed a completely unrepetent child sex offender. He had caused nothing but trauma, hurt and pain to all those around him for his whole life (also a convicted violent offender and multiple burglaries, one of a 87 year old woman). I cried in the toilets afterwards. There is no justice in this world that he continues to live and breathe and my beautiful friend doesn't.
But I don't believe in CP either. I just couldn't square the circle.

Well the death sentence wouldn't apply in his case, anyway. It would have applied to the Birmingham Six and the Guilford Four

I don’t really get what people get out of eliminating the human condition. Euthanise all the patients in broadmoor. Why? To pretend they don’t exist? What a weird society and way to live your life.

Just eliminate anything dangerous but human and natural. what a weird way to live. Life is about learning about and dealing with all things, not controlling it by eliminating every thing you can’t understand.

eta- it’s like Victorian/ mediveal or something, some brutal, uneducated society that wasn’t curious about the brain or human behaviour so just clubbed everything they didn’t like to death.

I do think people who love in a utopia of every life is precious delusion are a big problem.

This thread is very strange given the one yesterday where euthanasia for those on disability benefits and not contributing to society was an idea that was floated under the guise of philosophical pondering ….

Because the provision needed would be deemed unpalatable.

That would lead to a lot of lengthy nature v nurture discussions.

But violent offenders? 4.4% diagnosed autistic, between 25% - 40% diagnosed psychopathic. This is despite psychopaths making up only roughly 1% of the population.

Then you need to lower your expectations. There is no other answer and your dissatisfaction doesn’t change that. No one is going to be able to help you get more satisfied!

Does he have the capacity to make such a choice?

Not sure why you care what my opinion is if it's so unimportant...

Well you're wrong because the serious case review found that his diagnosis of conduct disorder (which often leads to a personality disorder) was the primary issue. Not sure why you think your opinion is more important than the facts.

Euthanasia isn't capital punishment though. Whether it's unethical to offer euthanasia to someone too damaged to ever be able to live and function in society is not a question with a black or white answer.

I think euthanasia should be far more readily available tbh, I don't understand why it's not. We all talk about body autonomy - how is being allowed to choose when you die any different? Obviously not for someone who's having a bad day but for a person with a violent incurable personality disorder that is never going to able to live anything approaching a normal life. I absolutely think euthanasia should be an option. Would you want to live with that?

You will find more male prisoners are diagnosed with autism than psychopathy (by a country mile)

That's your opinion. Mine is that the autism is the primary problem. I appreciate this is upsetting to some people.

Some people have always been unreasonable or just awful. It’s nothing new.

Not at all.

”the British legal system” isn’t a satisfactory answer for you?!? 😭

Female staff should not be forced to deal with him. I know some people get huffy when its pointed out, but females do not have the same strength and stamina as males. He needs big burly guards who take no shit.
Never mind his bloody yuman rites 😡😡

It’s well acknowledged that there is no rehabilitating him. I don’t think professionals shy away from that?

It’s very common for people to just need to aim to lead the best life they can but for that not to look anything like an average life.

The Telegraph said he put faeces in his mother's make up.

The problem we have is that there is no expert residential provision for autistic people at risk of developing a personality disorder (JB was diagnosed with conduct disorder which meant he was at risk of developing a personality disorder).

A lot of his behaviour was considered attention seeking due to his autism including saying he wanted to kill members of his family and not considered in light of his conduct disorder diagnosis.

He was passed around from provision to provision, often hours and hours away from his family. He threw the boy off the Tate because he wanted to be on tv to get the message across about how unsuitable his provision was.

He said he was going to the supermarket and was allowed out alone because his behaviour had supposedly improved so much despite there having been 8 assaults in the previous 2 and a half years.

We really need to look at how we provide for people with ASD that are at risk of developing personality disorders - what do we do with these people and why is there no provision for them?

It was my understanding that he was out on his own at the time of the Tate incident. He had been “two to one” but was given more freedoms as he was deemed to be not a risk to others.

I think some people just cannot Bev”rehabilitated” or “cured” but some professionals just don’t want to believe that.

The twats who decided a nice day out at the Tate was a good idea should be in prison

I don't understand why we allow him to carry on living and there's no satisfactory answer as to why.

We don't have capital punishment in the UK, and it would be completely unethical, having abolished it, to give lifetime custodial sentences but then say to prisoners "if you don't like it, you can choose to end your life". That would just be passing responsibility for something the judicial system cannot bring itself to do.